How to get owned by Bladekind Eyewear

So shortly after my theorizing on classpacts, I had no choice but to get sucked into the crazy world of classpect theorizing in a Skype conversation with Bladekind Eyewear, also known as Blastyoboots.

Though it was mostly me being in awe

[¾/2013 6:44:00 PM] blastyoboots: BladekindEyewear here. Ah, Falls Church? My dad lived around there ages ago. :)
[¾/2013 6:44:54 PM] blastyoboots: How’s it going? :)
[¾/2013 7:29:28 PM] Mousa the 14: Mousa the 14 has shared contact details with blastyoboots.
[¾/2013 7:29:49 PM] Mousa the 14: Doing okay, how about you?
[¾/2013 7:31:15 PM] blastyoboots: rather good
[¾/2013 7:31:28 PM] blastyoboots: ah, I just saw your answer on Meulin
[¾/2013 7:31:51 PM] blastyoboots: here’s a neat way I like to understand her:
[¾/2013 7:32:02 PM] blastyoboots: we agree that she’s a class, likely active, who understands Heart, right?
[¾/2013 7:32:11 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes
[¾/2013 7:32:29 PM] blastyoboots: so, in both iterations of the universe
[¾/2013 7:32:37 PM] blastyoboots: she fell for someone who was effectively /strongly religious/!
[¾/2013 7:32:48 PM] Mousa the 14: Indeed
[¾/2013 7:32:51 PM] blastyoboots: she came to understand their heart, soul, and desires
[¾/2013 7:33:00 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes…
[¾/2013 7:33:12 PM] blastyoboots: in the Sufferer’s case, she bought into his peace schtick and made carvings to them etc etc etc
[¾/2013 7:33:16 PM] blastyoboots: but in Kurloz’s case
[¾/2013 7:33:41 PM] blastyoboots: she bought into the pseudo-juggalo religion he has running, even if she’s somehow kept from realizing it fully :)
[¾/2013 7:34:31 PM] blastyoboots: i dunno, it just makes sense to me that she’d come to understand and share the beliefs of a deeply spiritual soul in both iterations, whether for bad or worse-
[¾/2013 7:34:36 PM] blastyoboots: I’m going on a tangent, aren’t I?
[¾/2013 7:34:44 PM] blastyoboots: maybe we should get introductions or such done first
[¾/2013 7:34:45 PM] Mousa the 14: A bit, but it makes sense
[¾/2013 7:35:04 PM] Mousa the 14: Iintroductions then?
[¾/2013 7:35:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay
[¾/2013 7:35:19 PM] Mousa the 14: Hello, My name’s Mousa, and I’m a reluctant Homestuck
[¾/2013 7:35:24 PM] blastyoboots: you’ve partially introduced yourself a dozen times through your liveblog, so I guess it’s not crucial on your part, yeah :)
[¾/2013 7:36:08 PM] blastyoboots: i’m a 23-yr-old comp sci major / programmer who is really too far into homestuck for his own good
[¾/2013 7:36:16 PM] blastyoboots: joined up about when Hivebent was starting
[¾/2013 7:36:37 PM] Mousa the 14: Ah, interesting
[¾/2013 7:36:47 PM] blastyoboots: ran a series of speculation threads on the forums, then moved to tumblr later
[¾/2013 7:37:42 PM | Edited 7:38:10 PM] blastyoboots: name’s Sean i guess, but I prefer being called screenname-ways over the intertubes?
[¾/2013 7:37:58 PM] blastyoboots: so byb, boots, bkew, whichever
[¾/2013 7:38:00 PM] Mousa the 14: No problemo
[¾/2013 7:38:11 PM] Mousa the 14: Byb will be fine
[¾/2013 7:38:15 PM] blastyoboots: alright :)
[¾/2013 7:38:38 PM] blastyoboots: so, let’s see, down to business… hmm, where to start…
[¾/2013 7:38:49 PM] Mousa the 14: To defeat the huns?
[¾/2013 7:38:54 PM] Mousa the 14: Sorry, couldn’t help it
[¾/2013 7:39:04 PM] blastyoboots: right, that means we should start with the fundamentals :)
[¾/2013 7:39:15 PM] blastyoboots: some starting principles with this whole classpect stuff:
[¾/2013 7:39:32 PM] blastyoboots: the aspects are kind of funny when you look at them, in that Time and Space are only two of the twelve!
[¾/2013 7:39:50 PM] blastyoboots: in a conventional physics setting, aren’t those “all that matters”, in a sense? why should they only be a sixth of the system?
[¾/2013 7:40:17 PM] Mousa the 14: Becuase those are morei mportant in the grander scheme of things?
[¾/2013 7:40:31 PM] blastyoboots: are Time and Space truly more important than the others? and more important to *what*?
[¾/2013 7:40:32 PM] Mousa the 14: In a a lot of systems there tennds to be a sort of grand one or two
[¾/2013 7:40:41 PM] Mousa the 14: Wlel, impotant to relaity
[¾/2013 7:40:41 PM] blastyoboots: they might be the ‘base’ ones, perhaps
[¾/2013 7:40:47 PM] blastyoboots: mm, reality
[¾/2013 7:41:04 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean, without One or the other we wouldn’t have existance as we know it
[¾/2013 7:41:10 PM] Mousa the 14: the others are sort of… birthd from them
[¾/2013 7:41:15 PM] Mousa the 14: allowed to exist becuase of space and time
[¾/2013 7:41:27 PM] Mousa the 14: Hmm, there’s a thought…
[¾/2013 7:41:28 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm, but…
[¾/2013 7:41:39 PM] blastyoboots: what would happen if you removed Heart and Mind from reality?
[¾/2013 7:42:35 PM] Mousa the 14: Sociopathy and stupidity
[¾/2013 7:42:36 PM] blastyoboots: without unique souls or reasoning minds, you’d have unreasoning automatons stumbling around as reality unfolds with little influence from them, in a sense
[¾/2013 7:42:39 PM] Mousa the 14: aka Vriska
[¾/2013 7:42:44 PM] blastyoboots: pff
[¾/2013 7:42:50 PM] Mousa the 14: Sorry, I can’t help it
[¾/2013 7:43:00 PM] blastyoboots: okay, so, here’s an alternative hypothesis, and this gets to the crux of the issue that starts all this analysis:
[¾/2013 7:43:32 PM] blastyoboots: HYPOTHESIS: All twelve aspects are almost equally important, and together they compose ALL the vectors through which reality is decided and unfolds. All of them.
[¾/2013 7:43:47 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, that’s definitely plausible
[¾/2013 7:44:14 PM] blastyoboots: so- wait, lemme bring up my ultimate riddle post to paste from real quick…
[¾/2013 7:44:24 PM] blastyoboots: (you don’t have to read my whole ultimate riddle post, shouldn’t right now, in fact)
[¾/2013 7:44:41 PM | Edited 7:44:45 PM] blastyoboots: (I’m trying to keep the Ultimate Riddle out of this conversation unless you insist)
[¾/2013 7:45:04 PM] blastyoboots: (because I will overreach and try to explain everything if I don’t restrain myself, hehe)
[¾/2013 7:45:47 PM] Mousa the 14: No ultimate riddle here, It’s jsut Rose the Witch
[¾/2013 7:46:06 PM] Mousa the 14: And the nifty little charts epokk made
[¾/2013 7:46:13 PM] Mousa the 14: *Aepokk
[¾/2013 7:46:13 PM] blastyoboots: want a quick rundown on my opinion on what the aspects each mean and cover, in shorthand (a sentence each)?
[¾/2013 7:46:17 PM] blastyoboots: or should I move on without
[¾/2013 7:46:34 PM] Mousa the 14: Do it, I want to be sure
[¾/2013 7:47:01 PM | Edited 7:47:36 PM] blastyoboots: from the Ultimate Riddle post: "The Aspects, varied and opposing, encompass the essential components of reality and how it unfolds. Space and Time are its physical fabric, from which power and flexibility are derived. (EDIT: Space is creation and beginnings, physicality and structure, while Time is progression, decomposition, destruction, duration and ends.) Heart is the reset-spanning power of the unique soul and its potential to carve the ideas it deeply desires into reality, while Mind is the effect of choice and façade, of logic and thought on how events unfold. Light is what Skaia and Doc Scratch operate on: information, perception, communication, and the carefully placed circumstances encoded into reality to benefit individuals/causes in the form of Fortune, while Void is the domain of the Horrorterrors, causing destruction and obscuring information from view to forestall action or tempt interest, leaving misfortune in its wake. Breath is direction, purpose and quest, the drive and freedom to fly and move toward a chosen path on reality or send others/objects on paths of their own, while Blood is grounded in the bonds, unity, and suffering that glue people together toward whatever goals they may seek to effect into reality under their combined power. Life is the energy and optimism to fuel one’s inclination and ability to influence existence, and Doom its curtailing, pessimism and the routes which lead to death and exclusion from the ability to affect that which exists - how Life’s energy may be expended and exhausted in exchange for powerful effects on reality. Hope is one’s belief in the breadth of the possibilities open to them for pursuit, for delivery into reality, while Rage is how one’s perception of them is narrowed considerably through anger and fear.“
[¾/2013 7:48:25 PM] blastyoboots: ah, this is a tad outdated; Light should also be viewed as 'importance’, and Void 'unimportance’
[¾/2013 7:48:35 PM] blastyoboots: which might explain some of Vriska’s nature
[¾/2013 7:49:38 PM] blastyoboots: questions, or moving on, maybe?
[¾/2013 7:49:40 PM] Mousa the 14: Dear god, this is impressive
[¾/2013 7:49:48 PM] blastyoboots: thank you :)
[¾/2013 7:50:02 PM] blastyoboots: I have a lot more on each of these, this is just shorthand
[¾/2013 7:50:13 PM] Mousa the 14: Makes what I came up with today look silly
[¾/2013 7:50:16 PM | Edited 7:51:24 PM] blastyoboots: you should see (but not now )my post on Breath and Blood, dear lord that’s a whopper of a thing
[¾/2013 7:50:22 PM] blastyoboots: no no, you were good
[¾/2013 7:50:29 PM] blastyoboots: with the tools and friends/input you had available
[¾/2013 7:50:53 PM] blastyoboots: you haven’t reread this story a dozen times through different livebloggers (or friends/family forced to read it at gunpoint)
[¾/2013 7:51:00 PM] blastyoboots: or gone back through the search pages constantly for theory stuff
[¾/2013 7:51:21 PM] Mousa the 14: I guess
[¾/2013 7:51:44 PM] blastyoboots: okay, so… you can imagine that with these aspects
[¾/2013 7:52:00 PM] blastyoboots: when you combine them together, it sort of represents how any individual can make an impact on reality and how it unfolds
[¾/2013 7:52:27 PM] blastyoboots: by seeing what’s possible, knowing what’s important, hiding things, reasoning, pursuing their own unique desires
[¾/2013 7:52:40 PM] blastyoboots: quests, bonds, hesitation, anything
[¾/2013 7:52:50 PM] blastyoboots: this could theoretically cover it all, right?
[¾/2013 7:53:22 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes, it would actually
[¾/2013 7:53:27 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm :)
[¾/2013 7:53:35 PM] blastyoboots: which brings us to the next part:
[¾/2013 7:54:26 PM] blastyoboots: HYPOTHESIS: If classes describe how a hero may 'affect’ one of these aspects, or operate through it, then all six class purposes / all twelve classes would conceivably cover *everything* that could be done to/with an aspect, together.
[¾/2013 7:55:25 PM] blastyoboots: I think that makes sense?
[¾/2013 7:55:43 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes it would
[¾/2013 7:56:07 PM] blastyoboots: (heh, I just realized I’m not seeing "is typing” indicators from you since you’re set to invisible)
[¾/2013 7:56:24 PM] blastyoboots: so anyway, let’s see:
[¾/2013 7:56:28 PM] Mousa the 14: Sorry, I don’t like to be disturbed a lot of the time
[¾/2013 7:56:32 PM] blastyoboots: oh it’s fine
[¾/2013 7:56:47 PM] blastyoboots: if you recall Vriska in the Alterniabound walkaround, when you stole luck from that big beast thing
[¾/2013 7:57:02 PM] Mousa the 14: I definitely do
[¾/2013 7:57:02 PM] blastyoboots: it showed “+ ALL THE LUCK” over Vriska and “- ALL THE LUCK” over the beast
[¾/2013 7:57:16 PM] blastyoboots: so that’s sort of how you can view the class, redistributing it
[¾/2013 7:57:22 PM] blastyoboots: subtracting it from others, adding to herself
[¾/2013 7:57:30 PM] blastyoboots: or from the environment, perhaps
[¾/2013 7:57:56 PM] blastyoboots: even adding to others when it serves her direct interests, like when she gave things to John
[¾/2013 7:58:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh
[¾/2013 7:58:19 PM] blastyoboots: or, more cruelly, when the Condesce gave extra life to the Helmsman
[¾/2013 7:58:35 PM | Edited 7:58:46 PM] blastyoboots: just so she could use him more, effectively still “stealing” his energy and utility, his Life
[¾/2013 7:59:23 PM] blastyoboots: so…
[¾/2013 7:59:37 PM] Mousa the 14: Of course, so even in giving a theif still finds a way to take
[¾/2013 7:59:42 PM] Mousa the 14: Should have relaized…
[¾/2013 7:59:43 PM] blastyoboots: heheh, yeah
[¾/2013 7:59:49 PM] blastyoboots: though they don’t necessarily have to
[¾/2013 8:00:12 PM] Mousa the 14: Not have to, but want to becuase they appear to be selfish and evil
[¾/2013 8:00:13 PM] blastyoboots: they might just *want* someone to be something, for their own sake, and thus boost them up even if it doesn’t directly come back to them in something tangible
[¾/2013 8:00:14 PM] blastyoboots: like John
[¾/2013 8:00:18 PM] blastyoboots: haha
[¾/2013 8:00:32 PM] Mousa the 14: Well, In theory, Meenah could be worse
[¾/2013 8:00:35 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh wait, she was
[¾/2013 8:01:12 PM] blastyoboots: these are still 'Hero’ roles… you could think of a proper and mature thief knowing when not to steal from her friends, and when to leverage the power they’ve amassed for everyone’s benefit instead, even if it’s through personal and gregarious action
[¾/2013 8:01:24 PM] blastyoboots: like Vriska using all the luck she’s amassed to fight the Black King
[¾/2013 8:01:47 PM] blastyoboots: but… when she wanted to fight Jack Noir, she went too far
[¾/2013 8:02:14 PM] Mousa the 14: One could even say she pushed her luck?
[¾/2013 8:02:15 PM] blastyoboots: and did something that deserved her a Just death, even though she was planning to go fight Noir for “everyone’s benefit” in a sense, not solely her own
[¾/2013 8:02:17 PM] blastyoboots: haha
[¾/2013 8:02:18 PM] blastyoboots: yeah
[¾/2013 8:02:24 PM] blastyoboots: can you guess what that was in particular?
[¾/2013 8:02:28 PM] blastyoboots: you say your theory, I’ll say mine
[¾/2013 8:03:00 PM] Mousa the 14: Hmmm, well….
[¾/2013 8:04:48 PM] Mousa the 14: I suppose it is possible… that she genuinely was trying to fight Jack for the sake of everyone else…. like she forgot to balanece the generosity with the greed and the scales tipped in favor of misfortune for her
[¾/2013 8:05:06 PM] blastyoboots: mm
[¾/2013 8:05:16 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean this was during the climax of her development, maybe she just ran out of take to use against her opponent
[¾/2013 8:05:18 PM] blastyoboots: anything else? (I can’t see if you’re still typing)
[¾/2013 8:05:21 PM] blastyoboots: ah
[¾/2013 8:05:32 PM] blastyoboots: so it was something like the scales tipped just a hair away from her?
[¾/2013 8:05:39 PM] Mousa the 14: Exactly
[¾/2013 8:05:42 PM] blastyoboots: mm
[¾/2013 8:05:51 PM] blastyoboots: well, I think it was actually something extremely definitive
[¾/2013 8:05:58 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh?
[¾/2013 8:06:04 PM] blastyoboots: something that by far earned her death the label “Just”
[¾/2013 8:06:07 PM] blastyoboots: and my answer to that is:
[¾/2013 8:06:09 PM] blastyoboots: the coin flip
[¾/2013 8:06:45 PM] blastyoboots: can I quote you a couple paragraphs from a post?
[¾/2013 8:06:47 PM] Mousa the 14: That thing? But I thgouth that was technically not important and it was more symbolic of the tension of Terezi’s decision
[¾/2013 8:06:50 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh sure
[¾/2013 8:06:51 PM] blastyoboots: yeah, I know
[¾/2013 8:06:57 PM] blastyoboots: but it *was* vriska’s decision:
[¾/2013 8:07:34 PM] blastyoboots: “Vriska had amassed enough luck to forestall any attempts by fortune at preventing her from getting exactly what she wanted, all the time, without exceptions. If she wanted to have her fight with Jack, she was going to have it. However, this outlook failed to take her team into account:
In being challenged to let the coin fall fairly, Vriska was being offered the chance - begged to consider the option, by Skaia, you could think about it - of allowing her team to possess even the least, slightest bit of control over reality, of 'importance’ in how reality unfolds. To allow coincidence to even possibly forestall her own desires, to have the tiniest chance of not getting what she wanted, if it had the potential to be in her friends’ best interests.
She stole just enough luck to decide the flip in her favor. Took away the only chance they had at overruling her fortune. And she died a Just death as a result. There was no way she was going to take Skaia’s offer, but it at least had to put it on the table for her before killing her.
After all, this was still indeed a trial she failed, and you can very easily see that it was a trial of Light. The aspect concerns not just fortune, but information, relevance and importance. Vriska was immersed in her aspect, wanted to be responsible for both her team’s defeat - Jack Noir’s existence - and their victory, by personally defeating him. She wanted it ALL! And ultimately, this killed her, and she was in actuality responsible for neither; a First Guardian of some variety would have been created in the kids’ session regardless, and even if John had succeeded in prototyping the blue lady doll, Bec still intended to jump in. Vriska failed to acknowledge that more people than her deserved to matter to reality’s progression.”
[¾/2013 8:08:52 PM] blastyoboots: she didn’t even allow her friends a 50/50 shot at stalling her
[¾/2013 8:10:31 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh my god…
[¾/2013 8:10:51 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh my flipping god…
[¾/2013 8:11:12 PM] Mousa the 14: Grief in a half shell, I can’t beleive that
[¾/2013 8:11:15 PM] Mousa the 14: That’s genius
[¾/2013 8:11:27 PM] blastyoboots: thanks :)
[¾/2013 8:11:30 PM] blastyoboots: or thank hussie, I guess
[¾/2013 8:11:42 PM] blastyoboots: since he devised that clever little clusterfuck of meaning
[¾/2013 8:11:43 PM] Mousa the 14: Well you figured it out, that takes some level of geniu
[¾/2013 8:11:46 PM] Mousa the 14: *genius
[¾/2013 8:12:08 PM] blastyoboots: hey, keep in mind that people might want to see a paste of most of this conversation under a read-more
[¾/2013 8:12:17 PM] blastyoboots: if you call me a genius too often, they’ll get mad :)
[¾/2013 8:12:30 PM] Mousa the 14: Excellent point
[¾/2013 8:12:36 PM] blastyoboots: (that’s a suggestion for you by the way, a post where you paste this under a read-more, if you’d care to take it)
[¾/2013 8:12:48 PM] blastyoboots: (so people know what your developing thoughts are and how much to blame me for it)
[¾/2013 8:13:03 PM] Mousa the 14: Good to know
[¾/2013 8:13:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Thanks
[¾/2013 8:13:10 PM] blastyoboots: :D
[¾/2013 8:13:18 PM] blastyoboots: yeah, so anyway, I think maybe you’re seeing a “role in the unfolding of existence” theme here :)
[¾/2013 8:13:39 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes, indeed I am
[¾/2013 8:13:46 PM] blastyoboots: I’m trying to skirt the edges of the Ultimate Riddle theory without just laying it out for you, even though I came up with it and posted it before all this
[¾/2013 8:13:54 PM] Mousa the 14: And that Paradox Space will have it’s way, won’t it?
[¾/2013 8:13:56 PM] blastyoboots: but you can imagine that it entails that significantly
[¾/2013 8:13:59 PM] blastyoboots: ah, well….
[¾/2013 8:14:08 PM] blastyoboots: that’s sort of the thing about the Ultimate Riddle
[¾/2013 8:14:21 PM] blastyoboots: and how easy it is to be deceived about inevitability
[¾/2013 8:14:32 PM] blastyoboots: but again, I’m not going to mention the answer I devised if you don’t ask
[¾/2013 8:14:37 PM] Mousa the 14: What, how much of this is Paradox Space saying “it msut Be” and how much if it is the decisions being made of our character’s free will?
[¾/2013 8:14:41 PM] blastyoboots: yeah
[¾/2013 8:14:51 PM] Mousa the 14: all right then
[¾/2013 8:14:54 PM] Mousa the 14: I’ll inquire no further
[¾/2013 8:15:07 PM] Mousa the 14: still got 500+ pages and a long walkthrough to do
[¾/2013 8:15:08 PM] Mousa the 14: ….
[¾/2013 8:15:15 PM] Mousa the 14: DAMN THIS COMIC WON’T LIVEBLOG FAST ENOUGH!
[¾/2013 8:15:16 PM] blastyoboots: right, we can save that for when you’re caught up I guess, so you can struggle in your mind about predestination some more
[¾/2013 8:15:20 PM] blastyoboots: heheheheh :)
[¾/2013 8:15:33 PM] blastyoboots: okay, steering this back to classpect…
[¾/2013 8:15:38 PM] Mousa the 14: All righty
[¾/2013 8:15:58 PM] blastyoboots: we have six purposes that are supposed to encompass everything
[¾/2013 8:16:15 PM] blastyoboots: two were given to us outright and explicitly, “Steal” (redistribute), and “Destroy”
[¾/2013 8:17:07 PM] blastyoboots: I think I mentioned in some ask to you forever ago that we can sort of guess that if there’s a “Destroy” male-only class pair, that there’s probably a “Create” female-only class pair?
[¾/2013 8:17:17 PM] blastyoboots: or at least an additive one
[¾/2013 8:17:30 PM] Mousa the 14: True
[¾/2013 8:17:44 PM] blastyoboots: where the Steal class subtracts in one place to add to another, moving things, and the Destroy class subtracts in general
[¾/2013 8:17:49 PM] blastyoboots: this one would add in general
[¾/2013 8:18:01 PM] blastyoboots: and we both guessed that the Sylph would be one of those additive ones, didn’t we?
[¾/2013 8:18:04 PM] Mousa the 14: I sort of forgot abotu the single sex classpects, the idea seemed preposterous but I suppose if there was ever going to be any it would be Sylph and Witch
[¾/2013 8:18:18 PM] blastyoboots: ah, but I also fit Maid in that active creation slot
[¾/2013 8:18:23 PM] blastyoboots: Maid sounds quite female too, doesn’t it?
[¾/2013 8:18:27 PM] Mousa the 14: True, Maid does as well
[¾/2013 8:18:30 PM] blastyoboots: they’re both options
[¾/2013 8:19:18 PM] blastyoboots: now let’s see… we both have an “Understand” purpose, we’re set on that essentially
[¾/2013 8:19:26 PM] Mousa the 14: Indeed
[¾/2013 8:19:27 PM] blastyoboots: Mage as active, Sylph as passive
[¾/2013 8:19:36 PM] Mousa the 14: No problems there
[¾/2013 8:19:50 PM] blastyoboots: TA: w0w, awes0me! way t0 be awes0mely sympathetic t00 my terrible new pr0blem, aa.
AA: sollux will you shut up and stop being so tragic for once
AA: you knew this was going to happen! your prophecies of personal doom were practically all you ever talked about
AA: i think you were looking forward to this honestly
[¾/2013 8:20:21 PM] Mousa the 14: He makes a horrible mage
[¾/2013 8:20:27 PM] blastyoboots: ah, for the most part
[¾/2013 8:20:28 PM] blastyoboots: but
[¾/2013 8:20:29 PM] Mousa the 14: That’s all I have to say on the matter
[¾/2013 8:20:37 PM] blastyoboots: speaking of which, I also put down “sacrifice” as a large component of doom
[¾/2013 8:20:39 PM] Mousa the 14: He “tried” barely, but was msotly against it
[¾/2013 8:20:51 PM] blastyoboots: it’s sort of like bipolarity, with the metaphor being ignition
[¾/2013 8:21:02 PM] blastyoboots: you have a roaring and energetic fire, but the result is cool and useless ash
[¾/2013 8:21:12 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, excellent point
[¾/2013 8:21:13 PM] blastyoboots: hot outbursts and cool depression
[¾/2013 8:21:36 PM] blastyoboots: the Land of Brains and Fire was full of red flames
[¾/2013 8:21:52 PM] blastyoboots: ooh! speaking of which: have you noticed that whenever the Condesce or her drones blow things up, the explosion always entails this deep red fire?
[¾/2013 8:21:53 PM] Mousa the 14: Very true, I jsut sort of didn’t buy it beuase his hot outbursts were so rare
[¾/2013 8:22:02 PM] Mousa the 14: I noticed
[¾/2013 8:22:06 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm
[¾/2013 8:22:13 PM] Mousa the 14: I thought it might’ve been important
[¾/2013 8:22:18 PM] blastyoboots: because if you have a Thief of Life
[¾/2013 8:22:22 PM] Mousa the 14: My first thought was the Red Miles or something
[¾/2013 8:22:25 PM] blastyoboots: then when Life is subtracted, all that remains is Doom
[¾/2013 8:22:30 PM] blastyoboots: red flames
[¾/2013 8:22:30 PM] Mousa the 14: Oooh
[¾/2013 8:22:31 PM] Mousa the 14: Nice
[¾/2013 8:22:49 PM] blastyoboots: just like with Vriska, if you subtract Light, all that remains is Void
[¾/2013 8:22:54 PM] blastyoboots: feeding people lies and keeping the truth for herself
[¾/2013 8:23:20 PM] blastyoboots: or stealing someone’s will (Agency), leaving only submission (a Void trait, hello Equius)
[¾/2013 8:23:52 PM] blastyoboots: did you notice that when Vriska’s psychic powers improbably worked across universes to wake John up:
[¾/2013 8:23:54 PM] Mousa the 14: Submission… Oh God, that would be Void if you think abotu Equius, wouldn’t it
[¾/2013 8:23:59 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004546
[¾/2013 8:24:03 PM] Mousa the 14: And his damn creepy ancestor
[¾/2013 8:24:06 PM] blastyoboots: look what flashes in her eye
[¾/2013 8:24:21 PM] Mousa the 14: I remember that
[¾/2013 8:24:28 PM] Mousa the 14: the Light symbol
[¾/2013 8:24:35 PM] Mousa the 14: I thoguth was symbolic but I couldn’t think what
[¾/2013 8:24:37 PM] Mousa the 14: at the time
[¾/2013 8:24:49 PM] blastyoboots: she was tapping into her Thief of Light powers; it wasn’t just her psychic abilities
[¾/2013 8:25:05 PM] Mousa the 14: She stole a moment
[¾/2013 8:25:08 PM] blastyoboots: a non Thief of Light with such powers may not be able to rob someone of agency across such an extreme barrier
[¾/2013 8:25:39 PM] Mousa the 14: Vriska Serket: Moment Killer. I’ll ad that to the lsit of her slights true and imagined
[¾/2013 8:26:09 PM] Mousa the 14: and you’re right there
[¾/2013 8:26:09 PM] blastyoboots: hehe
[¾/2013 8:26:29 PM] blastyoboots: (you could also read Light as “attention” in some respects :D )
[¾/2013 8:26:47 PM] Mousa the 14: Well it makes Rose an excellent distaction
[¾/2013 8:26:51 PM] blastyoboots: Void = unnoticed, unknowable, easily dismissed
[¾/2013 8:26:53 PM] blastyoboots: ah, yes!
[¾/2013 8:26:57 PM] blastyoboots: I didn’t even notice that
[¾/2013 8:26:59 PM] blastyoboots: nice catch
[¾/2013 8:27:18 PM] Mousa the 14: And lord knows Vriska’s an attention whore….
[¾/2013 8:27:28 PM] Mousa the 14: And et’s face it, Aranea pays people to talk to them
[¾/2013 8:27:31 PM] blastyoboots: figured you couldn’t resist using that terminology
[¾/2013 8:27:34 PM] Mousa the 14: *talk to her
[¾/2013 8:27:51 PM] blastyoboots: so… we have “understanding” and knowing the aspect, past present and future
[¾/2013 8:27:55 PM] blastyoboots: or, actually….
[¾/2013 8:28:04 PM] blastyoboots: to make that more accurate, it’s better to think of it as
[¾/2013 8:28:12 PM] blastyoboots: “understanding the aspect’s effect on reality”
[¾/2013 8:28:28 PM] blastyoboots: Terezi couldn’t read people’s thoughts
[¾/2013 8:28:43 PM] blastyoboots: but she could see the realities to which peoples’ various decisions would lead
[¾/2013 8:29:10 PM] Mousa the 14: Yeah, she basically read and udnerstood them
[¾/2013 8:29:31 PM] blastyoboots: so a Seer of Light would be able to “see what’s important”, and foresee the effect on reality those things will have and have already had
[¾/2013 8:30:17 PM] blastyoboots: (if you’re willing to get really weird and technical, Luck is “circumstantial importance”: the will that happened to matter most in any given situation)
[¾/2013 8:30:38 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, never thoguht of it like that
[¾/2013 8:30:55 PM] blastyoboots: neither did I for like, ages
[¾/2013 8:31:01 PM] blastyoboots: took quite a while to stumble upon that weird definition
[¾/2013 8:31:20 PM] blastyoboots: the poker player who wins is the one who mattered more to the unfolding of the situation
[¾/2013 8:31:44 PM] blastyoboots: a sword blow is more important if it happens to strike so critically it can even injure a First Guardian
[¾/2013 8:31:47 PM] blastyoboots: etc
[¾/2013 8:31:59 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay then
[¾/2013 8:32:10 PM] blastyoboots: but I guess that’s neither here nor there, I’m going off waaay into tangentville here, where were we
[¾/2013 8:32:12 PM] blastyoboots: okay
[¾/2013 8:32:24 PM] blastyoboots: so you can have the Steal classes’ +/- effect
[¾/2013 8:32:32 PM] blastyoboots: the Destroy classes’ - effect
[¾/2013 8:32:57 PM] blastyoboots: the Understanding classes’ knowledge of the aspect and how its effects can unfold
[¾/2013 8:33:09 PM] blastyoboots: now we get to the really tricky ones
[¾/2013 8:33:18 PM] Mousa the 14: Ah see, the fun ones
[¾/2013 8:33:21 PM] blastyoboots: why did you say the Knight class 'Defends’?
[¾/2013 8:33:42 PM] Mousa the 14: Knight of Time, who was dedicated to the protecting the stability of the timeline when using his abilities, also aided the Seer of Light with a safe and sane passage through the furthest ring,
[¾/2013 8:33:49 PM] Mousa the 14: Knight of Blood, concerned with the lives of his friends and teammates, and while never directly defended them, through his leadership guided them almost bloodlessly to the end of the game.
[¾/2013 8:34:19 PM] Mousa the 14: These are also why I call the Knight class passive
[¾/2013 8:34:27 PM] blastyoboots: so the idea that there was no collateral damage makes it their special role?
[¾/2013 8:34:31 PM] Mousa the 14: they’re like a bodyguard rather than an action hero
[¾/2013 8:34:38 PM] blastyoboots: and here’s the thing:
[¾/2013 8:34:51 PM] blastyoboots: what have Dave and Karkat’s most major accomplishments been, during their sessions?
[¾/2013 8:35:23 PM] Mousa the 14: Dave’s was acheiving godtier and Karkat’s was never sleeping
[¾/2013 8:35:29 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay, jokes aside
[¾/2013 8:35:33 PM] blastyoboots: hah :)
[¾/2013 8:35:37 PM] blastyoboots: you type your list while I’m typing mine
[¾/2013 8:37:20 PM] Mousa the 14: Dave’s was acheiving godtier, helping Rose drag the tumor to the Furthest ring, I am now drawing a blank, but I guess going back in time and stopping bad stuff form happening would be one
[¾/2013 8:37:47 PM] Mousa the 14: For Karkat, I mena he created the god frog, was first in the session, and basically motived everyone to win the game.
[¾/2013 8:37:51 PM] blastyoboots: Dave:
- Wove innumerable stable time loops into a huge stock market ponzi scheme, amassing more money than they could ever use
- Wove innumerable stable time loops together to get multiple weeks worth of frog searching and frog breeding done in a matter of hours
- Fought Jack with tons of absurdly short-term stable time loops in a complex ballet that didn’t doom a single self of his, lasting minutes upon minutes, even though his opponent was a First Guardian
[¾/2013 8:38:17 PM] Mousa the 14: I thougth the boonbucks might have been one
[¾/2013 8:38:22 PM] Mousa the 14: same with fighting Bec Noir
[¾/2013 8:38:26 PM] Mousa the 14: I jut wasn’t 100%
[¾/2013 8:39:07 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh wait, he was the reason the frog thing didn’t take forever? Of course, I should have realized, god I’m an idiot sometimes
[¾/2013 8:39:18 PM] blastyoboots: Karkat:
- Made an alliance with Jack Noir, bonding with him despite his sociopathy, which led to the exile of the Black Queen
- Grudgingly helped betray Jack Noir, exiling him as well and destroying the rings
- Yelled at the opposed Red and Blue teams until they stopped considering themselves opposed to each other and united to defeat the Black King
[¾/2013 8:39:18 PM] Mousa the 14: Or I forgot
[¾/2013 8:39:44 PM] blastyoboots: I shouldn’t say 'sociopathy’ for Jack, he’s got something worse…
[¾/2013 8:39:47 PM] blastyoboots: but you get the point
[¾/2013 8:40:02 PM] blastyoboots: so, where exactly is the “Defend” in that?
[¾/2013 8:40:23 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay, when you put it like that, you’re right, the defend thing does not make as much sense
[¾/2013 8:40:53 PM] blastyoboots: let’s see, where was that dang link…
[¾/2013 8:41:00 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean the things I said were there but thye’re sort of minor in comparison
[¾/2013 8:41:20 PM] blastyoboots: here we go, one sec…
[¾/2013 8:41:35 PM] Mousa the 14: But it does mena I’m out of ideas and I’m going to need to rethink their commonalities
[¾/2013 8:41:37 PM] blastyoboots: ARADIA: the knight of time is not necessarily the tactician
ARADIA: he is a powerful warrior class which exploits the flow of time as a weapon
[¾/2013 8:41:45 PM] blastyoboots: CG: ANYWAY, SHE AND DAVE DO A LOT OF FROG BREEDING, ACCELERATING THE PROCESS SIGNIFICANTLY BY EXPLOITING TIME TRAVEL, WITH HELP FROM ME AND KANAYA, SINCE WE WERE IN CHARGE OF FROG DUTIES IN OUR SESSION.
(…)
CG: SHE AND DAVE RAN INTO JACK, WHICH I’M SURE HE MUST HAVE SAW COMING BECAUSE I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE EXPLOIT TIME TRAVEL SO SHAMELESSLY AS HIM, NOT EVEN ARADIA.
[¾/2013 8:42:06 PM] blastyoboots: “Exploit”, mentioned three times
[¾/2013 8:42:26 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, well
[¾/2013 8:42:28 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay
[¾/2013 8:42:32 PM] blastyoboots: it sort of fits with Dave’s nature especially, if you think about some of the minor things he did
[¾/2013 8:42:39 PM] blastyoboots: like getting Jade to robo-slap herself awake
[¾/2013 8:42:43 PM] Mousa the 14: True
[¾/2013 8:42:56 PM] blastyoboots: or breaking a pillar to break the sword in the stone so he didn’t have to pull it out
[¾/2013 8:43:34 PM | Edited 8:43:40 PM] blastyoboots: so, “Exploit” does seem to make a bit of sense as a class* purpose
[¾/2013 8:43:53 PM] blastyoboots: the Exploit class using their aspect to the fullest to achieve results
[¾/2013 8:43:55 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes. yes it does
[¾/2013 8:44:08 PM] blastyoboots: as opposed to moving it around or understanding it or destroying/creating it
[¾/2013 8:44:25 PM] Mousa the 14: Using it to their advantage….
[¾/2013 8:44:55 PM] blastyoboots: it’s implied to be quite an active class as a result, how it was described and used in practice
[¾/2013 8:45:06 PM] blastyoboots: as for the passive version of the class, well; let’s come back to that later
[¾/2013 8:45:07 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay then, so the becoming and the support line jsut fell apart
[¾/2013 8:45:19 PM] blastyoboots: ah, you’re getting that, now? :)
[¾/2013 8:45:26 PM] Mousa the 14: I can rearrange this, I’m sure
[¾/2013 8:45:34 PM] blastyoboots: one of the reasons Defend makes so little sense as a class purpose is that:
[¾/2013 8:45:45 PM] blastyoboots: if each of these roles are describing the hero’s true impact on reality
[¾/2013 8:45:52 PM] blastyoboots: then something has to change or be manipulated
[¾/2013 8:46:00 PM] blastyoboots: 'preserving’ the status quo likely isn’t a role in and of itself
[¾/2013 8:46:07 PM] blastyoboots: Heroes are agents of change, in other words
[¾/2013 8:47:01 PM] Mousa the 14: Yeah yeah, but time is one of those precious things you’re not eaxctly supposed to break ie the doomed Daves problem. But yeha, Isee your point
[¾/2013 8:47:23 PM] blastyoboots: you might view it as:
[¾/2013 8:47:39 PM] blastyoboots: Dave leveraging the limited amount of time they supposedly have to insane degrees
[¾/2013 8:47:46 PM] blastyoboots: without actually adding or subtracting to it as a whole
[¾/2013 8:48:04 PM] Mousa the 14: Right, I get it
[¾/2013 8:48:27 PM] blastyoboots: now: there’s one more purpose out there
[¾/2013 8:48:43 PM] blastyoboots: so is it something that the Maid, Heir, and/or Page do?
[¾/2013 8:49:04 PM] blastyoboots: we have Add, Subtract, Redistribute, Use, Know, _______
[¾/2013 8:49:12 PM] Mousa the 14: Well I still have the “Becoming” thing on my side but on a universal scale that makes no sense
[¾/2013 8:49:20 PM] blastyoboots: mm
[¾/2013 8:49:44 PM] blastyoboots: so let’s just jump straight to my hypothesis:
[¾/2013 8:49:45 PM] Mousa the 14: On a smaller personal scale I’m sure it woudld have meant a great deal to Jake, John, and Tavros
[¾/2013 8:49:55 PM] Mousa the 14: What’s the last one?
[¾/2013 8:49:56 PM] blastyoboots: “Change/Control/Manipulate”
[¾/2013 8:50:01 PM] blastyoboots: it’s hard to decide on a verb
[¾/2013 8:50:09 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh
[¾/2013 8:50:25 PM] blastyoboots: I put it down as Witch/Heir:
[¾/2013 8:50:28 PM] blastyoboots: JOHN: did you at least make it huge with witch powers?
JADE: i did make it huge with witch powers!
JOHN: so i guess that’s what witch powers do, is make things huge?
JADE: they also make things small
JOHN: right, like you did with all those planets.
JADE: yup
JADE: also
JADE: witch powers can teleport things, and fling things around through space at very high velocities
JADE: all sorts of stuff!
JADE: but to be honest, im not sure how much of that is attributable to inheriting becs abilities…
JOHN: man, spacey witch powers sound a lot more versatile than my powers, frankly.
[¾/2013 8:50:54 PM] blastyoboots: “Witch/Heir makes sense, given their expressed powers. John seems to be able to control Wind in the same way that Jade controls Space. Since these were some of the main god-tiers we saw, watching them work convinced us that one’s "class” didn’t matter as much, that god-tiers normally commanded their aspects in such a comprehensive fashion. However, we’ve since been shown otherwise… and if we were fooled by seeing two god-tier classes in the same category, it would make plenty of sense!“
[¾/2013 8:51:30 PM] blastyoboots: Grandma Jade also gave Jake some technology that grows and shrinks things spatially
[¾/2013 8:51:51 PM] blastyoboots: and early on in Homestuck, this is probably a connection you didn’t draw:
[¾/2013 8:52:01 PM] blastyoboots: ever wonder how Jade made plants somehow grow with music? :)
[¾/2013 8:52:33 PM] Mousa the 14: What about music? I sort of came to the conflusion it was jsut her space powers workign subtly
[¾/2013 8:52:36 PM] blastyoboots: hehe, ah, connections in retrospect, how fun they are
[¾/2013 8:52:37 PM] blastyoboots: yeah
[¾/2013 8:52:39 PM] blastyoboots: that’s what I meant
[¾/2013 8:53:03 PM] blastyoboots: "You almost trip on the vine creeping up the stairs. Stupid vine. It’s too bad your grandma’s dead. She always had a way with keeping the flora in check.”
[¾/2013 8:53:37 PM] blastyoboots: controlling and changing sizes, changing the shape and meaning of Space
[¾/2013 8:54:07 PM] blastyoboots: I might have alluded to you in an ask that this applies to Feferi as well, especially to what she accomplished as the implied Beforus empress?
[¾/2013 8:55:03 PM] blastyoboots: the hemospectrum is turned on its head; those who have power granted by their class and blood are burdened with the responsibility to use it to help the less privileged classes
[¾/2013 8:55:23 PM] blastyoboots: “culling” is redefined to mean caring for the weak and infirm
[¾/2013 8:56:04 PM] blastyoboots: people still technically should hold the same amount of raw power, but the whole meaning of power (Life) has been changed, almost switched!
[¾/2013 8:56:19 PM] Mousa the 14: This witch thing is sounding more like controlling or nurturing
[¾/2013 8:56:34 PM] blastyoboots: mm, something like that
[¾/2013 8:56:59 PM] blastyoboots: and as a player, Feferi asked the horrorterrors to have all their dream bubbles begin meeting in a stable series, doomed offshoots and ancestors and everything
[¾/2013 8:57:29 PM] blastyoboots: suddenly, the dead who would have been drifting around in the void and rarely meeting, powerless to influence those who mattered to the outcome of events, have a serious voice!
[¾/2013 8:57:44 PM] Mousa the 14: she has a way with the elderitch, I should have realized, Glibglub and all…
[¾/2013 8:58:04 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, you’re right
[¾/2013 8:58:04 PM] blastyoboots: GG: so this is a dream?
CC: It is a dream, and a memory. It is the past, brought back to life by a witch! It’s all those things.
[¾/2013 8:58:14 PM] Mousa the 14: Jesis christ
[¾/2013 8:58:29 PM] blastyoboots: the meaning of death was redefined to have power, to have a serious degree of Life
[¾/2013 8:58:29 PM] Mousa the 14: I jut realized we’ve seen hide nor hair of Feferi
[¾/2013 8:58:37 PM] Mousa the 14: Well, I mean, I haven’t
[¾/2013 8:58:52 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm, i’ll stay mum on that for obvious reasons
[¾/2013 8:58:53 PM] Mousa the 14: But fefeta isa thing that’s happening… eventually
[¾/2013 8:59:16 PM] blastyoboots: ah, let’s see…
[¾/2013 8:59:16 PM] Mousa the 14: So she’s distracted with something but will be back soon… i na weird way
[¾/2013 8:59:47 PM] blastyoboots: Andrew stated several places outside the comic that-
[¾/2013 8:59:52 PM] blastyoboots: actually, lemme fetch the quotes:
[¾/2013 9:00:04 PM] blastyoboots: “It wasn’t until [Jade] reached god tier as a Witch (said to be a highly active class) that she became extremely active, making lots of stuff happen, rounding up planets and all that.”
[¾/2013 9:00:45 PM] blastyoboots: > “@TheBookOfBeth of the 12 std. classes, the most active is female, and the 2 most passive are both male.”
[¾/2013 9:01:32 PM] blastyoboots: so, a Witch is implied to be pretty active; we can’t be sure if it’s the most active, though
[¾/2013 9:01:53 PM] blastyoboots: our Witch players so far have been Space and Life players, so it’s no surprise that they might seem nurturing despite this
[¾/2013 9:02:11 PM] blastyoboots: Space, after all, holds the breeding duties and the forge, presides over beginnings and growth
[¾/2013 9:02:29 PM] blastyoboots: and Life is self-explanatory as somewhat nurturing
[¾/2013 9:03:08 PM] blastyoboots: I guess I have to mention at this point:
[¾/2013 9:03:29 PM] blastyoboots: I really *couldn’t* go into this system 'pure’, with respect to the Seer<->Witch inversion
[¾/2013 9:04:15 PM] blastyoboots: (fun fact: by some serendipity, I devised that entire class chart before we figured out anything about class inversion, and so far even though I’ve been expecting further inversions to invalidate parts of it, it’s oddly and weirdly fit??)
[¾/2013 9:04:40 PM] blastyoboots: Seer<->Witch inversion is the only class inversion that has any strong evidence at all; it’s the only reason we suspect class inversion exists in the first place
[¾/2013 9:04:45 PM] blastyoboots: and is heavily implied with story quotes
[¾/2013 9:05:28 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay… Yo uhave apoint there
[¾/2013 9:05:36 PM] blastyoboots: not just all the Witch Witch Witch Bluh Bluh Huge Witch quotes around rose, but with Jade, well:
[¾/2013 9:05:36 PM] Mousa the 14: Menas I have to work from there up…
[¾/2013 9:05:39 PM | Edited 9:05:45 PM] blastyoboots: here’s something fun :)
[¾/2013 9:05:47 PM] blastyoboots: lemme fetch it…
[¾/2013 9:06:51 PM] blastyoboots: I have a whole post on “Jade the Seer”, but it has a tad of stuff I don’t want to get into about another person at the bottom, so I won’t link you it directly
[¾/2013 9:07:06 PM] blastyoboots: but I can link you another post I quoted in it, if it checks out…
[¾/2013 9:07:24 PM] blastyoboots: http://theworstpersonintheworld.tumblr.com/post/35381710527
[¾/2013 9:08:19 PM] blastyoboots: pretty telling, isn’t it?
[¾/2013 9:08:27 PM] blastyoboots: how it was a bad thing to try to See the Time player. :)
[¾/2013 9:10:20 PM] Mousa the 14: Oy vey….
[¾/2013 9:10:37 PM] Mousa the 14: Seer of Time… Bad things happen, class inversion
[¾/2013 9:11:07 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh come on, spacial locations is totally a space thing
[¾/2013 9:11:17 PM] blastyoboots: yeah, I won’t give him his exact wording
[¾/2013 9:11:23 PM] blastyoboots: but again, what happened was sort of a pun
[¾/2013 9:11:33 PM] blastyoboots: things really went to shit when she tried to see “Time” specifically :)
[¾/2013 9:11:35 PM] blastyoboots: ie. Dave
[¾/2013 9:11:35 PM] Mousa the 14: To see time is to see death?
[¾/2013 9:11:50 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay
[¾/2013 9:11:57 PM] blastyoboots: it’s also quite telling:
[¾/2013 9:12:12 PM] blastyoboots: that right after, you know, that huge dream where I argue she first made the switch from Seer back to Witch?
[¾/2013 9:12:23 PM] blastyoboots: when her dreamself was killed and she woke up from a traumatizing horrorterror dream?
[¾/2013 9:12:31 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes
[¾/2013 9:12:40 PM] blastyoboots: look at these quotes, right after she wakes up:
[¾/2013 9:12:44 PM] blastyoboots: “You suddenly understand jack shit.
Where are you? What just happened?”
[¾/2013 9:12:52 PM] Mousa the 14: I remember that perfectly
[¾/2013 9:13:12 PM] blastyoboots: CCG: IT WAS HILARIOUS WATCHING YOU GROW UP.
CCG: YOU THOUGHT YOU HAD ALL THE ANSWERS, FROLICKING ALL OVER YOUR ISLAND BEING INFURIATINGLY CHIPPER, BUILDING ROBO-BUNNIES LIKE A MORON AND ULTIMATELY RUINING EVERYTHING.
CCG: YOU WERE SO SURE YOUR DREAMS TOLD YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED TO KNOW.
CCG: AND NOW LOOK AT YOU
CCG: YOU SUDDENLY UNDERSTAND JACK SHIT.
[¾/2013 9:13:25 PM] Mousa the 14: Which seems a bit odd she was perfectly all Seer and then all ofa sudden, Bam, sorry, you’re a witch now
[¾/2013 9:13:40 PM] blastyoboots: yeah, well it took *killing* her to uninvert her completely
[¾/2013 9:13:49 PM] blastyoboots: in fact, that seems to be a bit of a pattern?
[¾/2013 9:14:09 PM] Mousa the 14: Death is the only path to your true class’s clarity?
[¾/2013 9:14:15 PM] blastyoboots: even when Rose had her grimdark self killed, there was still a blackout “weirdly persisting” on her monitor before she went off to the moon mission
[¾/2013 9:14:27 PM] blastyoboots: she had to be burned in the Sun’s explosion and god-tiered to be set right again
[¾/2013 9:14:40 PM] blastyoboots: Aradia *wanted* to break out of her fatalist path, as a robot, talking to Rose
[¾/2013 9:14:44 PM] blastyoboots: but she couldn’t
[¾/2013 9:14:58 PM] blastyoboots: and it took exploding and having her soul yanked into God-Tiering to get her on track again
[¾/2013 9:14:59 PM] Mousa the 14: true, it was adorabel to watch her try though
[¾/2013 9:15:02 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm :)
[¾/2013 9:15:34 PM] blastyoboots: oh, Jade’s inversion was even sort of foreshadowed by her instruments
[¾/2013 9:15:44 PM] Mousa the 14: So, it take sa major life ending trauma to reveal your true self?
[¾/2013 9:15:46 PM] blastyoboots: remember how she started with a flute, but sucked at it? "this isn’t really your instrument"?
[¾/2013 9:15:51 PM] Mousa the 14: Ys
[¾/2013 9:15:54 PM] Mousa the 14: I recall
[¾/2013 9:16:11 PM] blastyoboots: and then she picked up her atomic bass, played the undertone to the universe, and plants grew
[¾/2013 9:16:22 PM] blastyoboots: the supporting line that carries the rest of the instruments
[¾/2013 9:16:58 PM] blastyoboots: starting out inverted and frivolous, her true role being to pick up some heavy firepower and take action
[¾/2013 9:17:40 PM] blastyoboots: okay, anywho…. maybe we should address the Heir?
[¾/2013 9:18:52 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes, please explain to me wh yit has nothing to do with realizing your potential
[¾/2013 9:18:55 PM] blastyoboots: I asserted Witch/Heir, listed at least one reason why I had Heir filling that last open slot
[¾/2013 9:18:57 PM] blastyoboots: ah
[¾/2013 9:19:00 PM] blastyoboots: when did I say that? :)
[¾/2013 9:19:10 PM] blastyoboots: couldn’t it?
[¾/2013 9:19:13 PM] Mousa the 14: I figured it would somehow contridacted my reasoning
[¾/2013 9:19:17 PM] blastyoboots: okay, here’s the way to look at it:
[¾/2013 9:19:37 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean after all the work I put nto making the Hair and page connection it would only be my luck for it to be bupkis
[¾/2013 9:19:40 PM] blastyoboots: UU: a prince is a destroyer class.
UU: it is very far on the active side of the scale. its more passive coUnterpart woUld be the bard class. both of these are exclUsively designated for male players.
UU: to Understand a hero’s capabilities, it always helps to search for the right way to parse the class/aspect pair into a more explicit statement.
UU: for instance, being active, a prince coUld be viewed as “one who destroys x, or caUses destrUction throUgh x,” if x is the aspect.
UU: while the more passive bard coUld be seen as “one who allows x to be destroyed, or invites destrUction throUgh x,” as if by the will of the aspect.
[¾/2013 9:19:45 PM] Mousa the 14: *Heir and Page
[¾/2013 9:20:03 PM] blastyoboots: so, let’s take that sort of phrasing, and perhaps apply it to the Witch and Heir
[¾/2013 9:20:18 PM] blastyoboots: if a Witch changes and controls their aspect, and changes and controls *through* their aspect
[¾/2013 9:20:28 PM] blastyoboots: then an Heir would invite change in and through their aspect
[¾/2013 9:20:48 PM] blastyoboots: in John’s case, he would “invite change in direction”
[¾/2013 9:20:59 PM] blastyoboots: quests, motivations, perhaps
[¾/2013 9:21:38 PM | Edited 9:21:40 PM] blastyoboots: “i just wanted to take a break from telling you how much your gay butt stinks all the time and say what an awesome friend you are. seriously, on any other day i would be downplaying how you aren’t really as cool as you think you are, but just between you and me i think you might actually be that cool. i think you just gotta get out of your bro’s shadow and spread your wings dude!!!”
[¾/2013 9:22:02 PM] blastyoboots: flight, too
[¾/2013 9:22:09 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh son of a…
[¾/2013 9:22:32 PM] blastyoboots: but let me get away from tenuous evidence and bring things back to what you said
[¾/2013 9:22:36 PM] blastyoboots: changing and potential and stuff
[¾/2013 9:22:38 PM] blastyoboots: now, for this
[¾/2013 9:22:41 PM] blastyoboots: you have to look at Equius
[¾/2013 9:23:08 PM] blastyoboots: he emphasizes the destructiveness of void in that, almost passively, stuff is destroyed whenever he lays hands on it
[¾/2013 9:23:18 PM] blastyoboots: (and somehow, yet, he manages to forge and create)
[¾/2013 9:23:22 PM] blastyoboots: but…
[¾/2013 9:23:32 PM] blastyoboots: moreso, he emphasizes Void’s definition of 'submission’
[¾/2013 9:23:54 PM] blastyoboots: like Roxy both submitting to alcohol and, while intoxicated, thus submitting to the whims of her environment instead of taking control sober
[¾/2013 9:24:07 PM] blastyoboots: so… how did that go exactly, with him?
[¾/2013 9:24:25 PM] Mousa the 14: Oy…
[¾/2013 9:24:30 PM] Mousa the 14: Don’t remind me
[¾/2013 9:24:33 PM] Mousa the 14: No wait…
[¾/2013 9:24:35 PM] Mousa the 14: ALready reminded
[¾/2013 9:24:51 PM] Mousa the 14: I would strangle him mself if he didn’t get off on it
[¾/2013 9:24:56 PM] blastyoboots: CT: D –> It’s forbidden
AC: :33 < nuh uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhh
CT: D –> Yes
CT: D –> You won't
AC: :33 < no
AC: :33 < i will
CT: D –> You won't
AC: :33 < you cant stop me!
CT: D –> I am telling you not to
CT: D –> And you will be on my team
CT: D –> That’s final
AC: XPO < bllllraaaaaawwwwwlllllrrrrghgghghgh
CT: D –> Quiet
AC: :33 < why do you do this, why are you so confurdent about your stupid commands?
AC: :33 < dont you know you cant ACTUALLY tell me what to do??
AC: :33 < its not like you even have any special mind pawers or telepurrthy or anything!
CT: D –> No
CT: D –> I do not
CT: D –> And yet
CT: D –> You will do as I say
AC: :33 < yes well we will just s33 about that!
CT: D –> Yes we will
CT: D –> Maddening
CT: D –> You will stop
TC: WhOaAaA, i WiLl?
TC: hOw Do YoU kNoW tHaT?
CT: D –> No, you don’t understand
CT: D –> It’s not a predi%ion, it’s an order
CT: D –> I command you to stop
TC: Oh, AlRiGhT bRoThEr.
TC: yOu MoThErFuCkIn GoT iT.
CT: D –> What
CT: D –> Are you serious
[¾/2013 9:25:02 PM] blastyoboots: oops, sorry, longer than I thought
[¾/2013 9:25:30 PM] blastyoboots: so, he was inviting submission in others
[¾/2013 9:25:37 PM] blastyoboots: at first!
[¾/2013 9:25:46 PM] blastyoboots: recall how that changed?
[¾/2013 9:26:44 PM] Mousa the 14: I don’t remember the exact transition but I do recall he was one for giving orders, wasn’t he? inviting submission
[¾/2013 9:27:44 PM] blastyoboots: CT: D –> You are as low on the hemosprectrum as possible
CT: D –> To consider that someone so low could be in a position of authority over me is
CT: D –> It’s just so
CT: D –> Disgusting
AA: y0u really are quite a sn0b
CT: D –> No it's
CT: D –> FILTHY
AA: 0_0
AA: d0 y0u want me t0 break s0mething
CT: D –> Whoa what
AA: i c0uld break s0mething if y0u want
CT: D –> Do you
CT: D –> Want to break something
AA: kind 0f
CT: D –> I, uh
CT: D –> Ok
CT: D –> Now I’m beginning to wonder
AA: what
CT: D –> Whether I want you to be my subordinate
CT: D –> Hmm
CT: D –> I hope this doesn’t sound too strange
AA: everything y0u say s0unds strange
CT: D –> Maybe I would like you to be the co-leader again
AA: 0k
CT: D –> In fact
CT: D –> Oh my goodness, I can’t believe I’m entertaining this thought
CT: D –> It feels just vile
CT: D –> Try not to roll your eyes at me
AA: i d0nt have pupils
CT: D –> Would you mind terribly
CT: D –> Being the leader
[¾/2013 9:28:01 PM] blastyoboots: he wasn’t inviting people *to* submit, anymore
[¾/2013 9:28:14 PM] blastyoboots: in fact, it’s almost as if things were going… the other way around?
[¾/2013 9:29:03 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes, it was, ah right, another inversion.
[¾/2013 9:29:07 PM] blastyoboots: nope!
[¾/2013 9:29:26 PM] blastyoboots: inversion would involve Light, and there’s not much of that here
[¾/2013 9:29:35 PM] blastyoboots: what you have to do is flip it…. turnways
[¾/2013 9:29:43 PM] blastyoboots: Equius wasn’t inviting submission in others…
[¾/2013 9:29:48 PM] blastyoboots: rather, he was being invited *to* submission, himself!
[¾/2013 9:30:17 PM] Mousa the 14: Yeah, scary how that works… Goes to show the classes cna get ya both ways
[¾/2013 9:30:56 PM] blastyoboots: UU: while the more passive bard coUld be seen as “one who allows x to be destroyed, or invites destrUction throUgh x,” ***as if by the will of the aspect.***
HYPOTHESIS: Players with classes which 'invite’ are vulnerable to being 'invited’ themselves!
[¾/2013 9:31:16 PM] Mousa the 14: Hmmmm
[¾/2013 9:31:30 PM] blastyoboots: while Gamzee was on sopor slime, he was chemically locked on 'chill’ mode, but he still exercised his role, as you mentioned
[¾/2013 9:31:49 PM] blastyoboots: as I briefly mentioned that Rage, the opposite of hope, is about clouding and constricting one’s perception of the possibilities:
[¾/2013 9:32:03 PM] blastyoboots: high!Gamzee invited people to “chill out” and “believe in miracles” :)
[¾/2013 9:32:19 PM] Mousa the 14: aka Give up
[¾/2013 9:32:25 PM] blastyoboots: TC: KaRkAt bLaMeS HiMsElF On iT, pOoR MoThErFuCkEr
TC: BuT I ToLd hIm tO Be cHiLl
TC: BeCaUsE ThErE Is a mIrAcLe cOmInG, i cAn fEeL It
CA: that is the wworst fuckin advvice
CA: wwhat an awwful thing a you to say
CA: MAGIC ISNT REAL STUPID STOP BELIEVVIN IN IT
TC: i’Ve gOt tO BeLiEvE At wHaT My hEaRt tElLs iN Me, EvEn iF It’s a fAkE ThInG
TC: HoNk
[¾/2013 9:32:37 PM] blastyoboots: as in to stop clouding one’s mind to the possibilities
[¾/2013 9:32:38 PM] Mousa the 14: Give up hope, give in to the nothing that rage brings
[¾/2013 9:32:47 PM] Mousa the 14: Or that too
[¾/2013 9:33:07 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, High Gamzee was actually the biggest proponent of hope
[¾/2013 9:33:08 PM] blastyoboots: (that was a Destroyer of Hope talking to a Destroyer of Rage, by the way!)
[¾/2013 9:33:46 PM] blastyoboots: but once the chemical sopor slime was withdrawn, allowing Gamzee to act however he pleased
[¾/2013 9:33:56 PM] blastyoboots: Gamzee was….!!!
[¾/2013 9:33:58 PM] blastyoboots: …still chill.
[¾/2013 9:34:02 PM] blastyoboots: He was still chill!
[¾/2013 9:34:06 PM] blastyoboots: For quite some time, in fact.
[¾/2013 9:34:21 PM] Mousa the 14: He murderd Equius and Nepeta, how is that chill?
[¾/2013 9:34:23 PM] blastyoboots: until someone disproved his beliefs.
[¾/2013 9:34:29 PM] blastyoboots: the ICP video, recall?
[¾/2013 9:34:31 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh right
[¾/2013 9:34:35 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes, I rmeember that
[¾/2013 9:34:41 PM] blastyoboots: that’s when he first got angry, when his beliefs were shut down!
[¾/2013 9:34:46 PM] blastyoboots: beliefs shut down, ie. Rage
[¾/2013 9:34:58 PM] blastyoboots: he was invited to destruction through Rage himself!
[¾/2013 9:35:00 PM] Mousa the 14: I thought the slime sort of stopped taking effect after he saw the video
[¾/2013 9:35:06 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean he saw the video and di nothing
[¾/2013 9:35:17 PM] blastyoboots: no, remember the:
[¾/2013 9:35:19 PM] Mousa the 14: I figured later once the slime finally got out of his system he got real
[¾/2013 9:35:36 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004721
[¾/2013 9:35:37 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004722
[¾/2013 9:36:04 PM | Edited 9:36:13 PM] blastyoboots: from right before that: “TC: My mInD’S NoT ThAt sHaRp nOw tHoUgH, iT’S BeEn aGeS SiNcE I HaD A GoOd pIe”
[¾/2013 9:36:39 PM] blastyoboots: Gamzee seemed pretty chill lately, didn’t you think?
[¾/2013 9:36:54 PM] blastyoboots: both potentials were in him, it’s just the sopor sort of locked him to one
[¾/2013 9:36:58 PM] blastyoboots: but once he was free
[¾/2013 9:37:01 PM] blastyoboots: he needed a push
[¾/2013 9:37:44 PM] blastyoboots: anyway, that’s two dubious 'invitation’ things, so let’s get to the one that really matters, the Heir that’s actually important to the story:
[¾/2013 9:38:05 PM] blastyoboots: if the hypothesis is correct, then John would be extremely vulnerable to invitations to change his direction?
[¾/2013 9:38:23 PM] blastyoboots: GC: SO JOHN 4CTU4LLY D1D WH4T 1 S41D?
TG: yeah
TG: im telling you
TG: huge pushover
TG: he will do what you say
[¾/2013 9:38:43 PM] blastyoboots: hell, *Tavros* objects more than he does!
[¾/2013 9:38:51 PM] Mousa the 14: I know that much
[¾/2013 9:38:58 PM] blastyoboots: now
[¾/2013 9:38:59 PM] Mousa the 14: I am more than aware of John’s malleability
[¾/2013 9:39:06 PM] blastyoboots: if you extrapolate this to potential:
[¾/2013 9:39:13 PM] Mousa the 14: Heck, i said it form the very beginning his job was to take orders and do what everyone said
[¾/2013 9:39:20 PM] blastyoboots: John isn’t just vulnerable to invitations to change IN his direction
[¾/2013 9:39:27 PM] blastyoboots: change IN breath
[¾/2013 9:39:32 PM] blastyoboots: but also change THROUGH breath
[¾/2013 9:39:38 PM] blastyoboots: in other words, to be changed himself!
[¾/2013 9:40:08 PM] blastyoboots: he’s like a passive nexus through which Breath changes, changing in turn with it
[¾/2013 9:40:40 PM] blastyoboots: buyable?
[¾/2013 9:41:10 PM] Mousa the 14: Sort of
[¾/2013 9:41:26 PM] blastyoboots: yeah, I’m not making an incredible case here
[¾/2013 9:41:44 PM] blastyoboots: I make a *much* better case in the Breath and Blood post but I’m not having you sit through that (has spoilers anyway)
[¾/2013 9:42:05 PM] Mousa the 14: No problem, I understand
[¾/2013 9:42:45 PM] blastyoboots: in post #186 here: http://tinyurl.com/classreasoningcached
[¾/2013 9:42:52 PM] blastyoboots: I made the case how we were filling limited slots, anyway
[¾/2013 9:42:55 PM] Mousa the 14: Changing in teurn with it… maybe that could use some work
[¾/2013 9:43:04 PM] blastyoboots: well, he *did* turn into air?
[¾/2013 9:43:17 PM] Mousa the 14: yes he did, I was thinking metaphorically
[¾/2013 9:43:44 PM] blastyoboots: though at the same time, you could view his changing into air as one of the reasons that Breath is important, one of the keys to it
[¾/2013 9:43:58 PM] blastyoboots: detachment from the material plane, something that separates it from Space as its own powerful aspect
[¾/2013 9:44:30 PM] blastyoboots: hm; want me to show you something cool from the story about Breath and Blood as a quick break?
[¾/2013 9:45:06 PM] blastyoboots: might help you understand the interplay between the aspects a little better
[¾/2013 9:45:14 PM] blastyoboots: and how they’re metaphorically hinted in story
[¾/2013 9:45:40 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay, I’d appreciate that
[¾/2013 9:46:17 PM] blastyoboots: by the way, while this is loading; one of the keys to breath is also 'delivery’, if you recall how much his planet emphasizes those parcel pyxis things
[¾/2013 9:46:36 PM] blastyoboots: “THE BREEZE” simply carries everything where it needs to go, to whom it’s intended
[¾/2013 9:46:39 PM] Mousa the 14: I remember that
[¾/2013 9:46:52 PM] blastyoboots: John constantly has packages going to and from him
[¾/2013 9:47:10 PM] blastyoboots: important items (zillyhoo) showing up and bonking him on the head
[¾/2013 9:47:31 PM] blastyoboots: and he managed to effortlessly wrench the Vrillyhoo Hammer from a First Guardian Noir’s hands
[¾/2013 9:47:47 PM] blastyoboots: ah, it’s loaded:
[¾/2013 9:48:12 PM] blastyoboots: do you remember how he got the jetpack working in the first place?
[¾/2013 9:48:18 PM] blastyoboots: the jetpack was initially inoperable:
[¾/2013 9:48:19 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003533
[¾/2013 9:48:34 PM] blastyoboots: but right there ^^^, look at how that was changed?
[¾/2013 9:48:58 PM | Edited 9:49:04 PM] blastyoboots: GC: 1 GOT TH3 COD3S FOR 4LL TH3 OTH3R 34RTH CR4P STUCK 1NS1D3 1T FROM YOUR FR13NDS
[¾/2013 9:49:12 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh
[¾/2013 9:49:20 PM] blastyoboots: a cinderblock from Dave, a violin from Rose, a flowerpot from Jade
[¾/2013 9:49:27 PM] Mousa the 14: Yeah….
[¾/2013 9:49:30 PM] blastyoboots: all of which were locking the jetpack to the ground
[¾/2013 9:49:35 PM] blastyoboots: but when subtracted…
[¾/2013 9:49:38 PM] Mousa the 14: In retrospect…
[¾/2013 9:49:43 PM] Mousa the 14: I relaly should have seen that one
[¾/2013 9:49:54 PM] Mousa the 14: when subtracted, he gets to breathe
[¾/2013 9:49:56 PM] Mousa the 14: he is free
[¾/2013 9:49:56 PM] blastyoboots: not really, it took us ages to figure it out
[¾/2013 9:50:01 PM] blastyoboots: literally last month
[¾/2013 9:50:04 PM] blastyoboots: is when we did
[¾/2013 9:50:09 PM] blastyoboots: (I think)
[¾/2013 9:50:28 PM] blastyoboots: anyway: what happened when they were subtracted? it flew! he was free!
[¾/2013 9:50:33 PM] blastyoboots: to go fly off on his own path
[¾/2013 9:50:34 PM] blastyoboots: and
[¾/2013 9:50:35 PM] blastyoboots: DIE
[¾/2013 9:50:39 PM] blastyoboots: :)
[¾/2013 9:50:43 PM | Edited 9:50:45 PM] blastyoboots: whoops!
[¾/2013 9:50:46 PM] Mousa the 14: No longer burderned by the influence of his friends and yet withotu them he would never be free?
[¾/2013 9:50:49 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh right
[¾/2013 9:50:51 PM] Mousa the 14: The death thing
[¾/2013 9:50:55 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm
[¾/2013 9:51:01 PM] blastyoboots: say… what made him reconsider, anyway?
[¾/2013 9:51:04 PM] Mousa the 14: He sort of needs them to keep him from being TOO free
[¾/2013 9:51:19 PM] Mousa the 14: The Knight of time
[¾/2013 9:51:21 PM] blastyoboots: GC: SO JOHN 4CTU4LLY D1D WH4T 1 S41D?
TG: yeah
TG: im telling you
TG: huge pushover
TG: he will do what you say
TG: unless it happens to be for his own good
TG: then all a sudden hes a tough nut to crack go figure
[¾/2013 9:51:44 PM] blastyoboots: somehow, John WASN’T vulnerable to being changed in direction
[¾/2013 9:51:53 PM] blastyoboots: because Dave wasn’t telling him to do something different instead!
[¾/2013 9:51:58 PM] blastyoboots: or go in another direction
[¾/2013 9:52:03 PM] blastyoboots: he was telling him to *stay put*
[¾/2013 9:52:05 PM] blastyoboots: to stay on the ground
[¾/2013 9:52:23 PM] blastyoboots: and like hell that was going to work!
[¾/2013 9:53:01 PM] blastyoboots: TG: did you blast off like a spazzy douche yet or what
EB: yeah, of course!
EB: there was no way i wasn’t trying out this sweet ride.
[¾/2013 9:53:18 PM] blastyoboots: BUT, he was stopped from following Terezi’s path regardless!
[¾/2013 9:53:19 PM] blastyoboots: because…
[¾/2013 9:53:29 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/01663.gif
[¾/2013 9:53:33 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/01664.gif
[¾/2013 9:53:45 PM] blastyoboots: TG: so you believe me then
TG: about future me
TG: and like
TG: him turning into a floating sword bird
EB: um…
EB: ok, i don’t know anything about that…
EB: but it doesn’t matter!
EB: you’re my best bro, and if you say not to go then i won’t go.
[¾/2013 9:54:40 PM] Mousa the 14: Basically let him fly, let him be free, but don'tt worry, he’ll listen
[¾/2013 9:54:43 PM | Edited 9:55:02 PM] blastyoboots: BLOOD was what kept the rocket strapped down to the ground, and BLOOD was what stopped John from blasting through his seventh gate!
[¾/2013 9:54:56 PM] Mousa the 14: Yo ucan’t stop the wind from blowing, but you can give ita push i na different direction
[¾/2013 9:55:05 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm
[¾/2013 9:55:08 PM] Mousa the 14: or as I like to sing, You can’t keep Johnny Down
[¾/2013 9:55:23 PM] blastyoboots: John took caution from his opposite aspect
[¾/2013 9:55:27 PM] blastyoboots: and because of that, he lived!
[¾/2013 9:55:32 PM] blastyoboots: unlike Tavros
[¾/2013 9:55:43 PM] blastyoboots: remember how Tavros always used to dial for help?
[¾/2013 9:55:57 PM] blastyoboots: but then suddenly decided that it was a good idea to charge at Vriska alone without telling ANYONE what he was doing?
[¾/2013 9:56:16 PM] blastyoboots: TAVROS: nO, i MEAN, iT WAS PRETTY MUCH MY FAULT, i THINK,
TAVROS: i ATTACKED YOU WITH MY BOGUS SELF ESTEEM, aND i PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE,
VRISKA: No, you idiot! That’s not what happened at all. I sta88ed you through the chest 8ecause I was 8eing a huge 8itch!
TAVROS: i MEAN, iT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, bUT THAT’S NOT REALLY HOW i REMEMBER IT,
[¾/2013 9:56:57 PM] blastyoboots: Tavros embraced Breath to the exclusion of Blood, and died against Vriska
[¾/2013 9:57:41 PM] blastyoboots: Nepeta embraced Heart (her inner curiosity) to the exclusion of Mind (using reasoning to consider the danger of her situation) and ran into Gamzee, dying
[¾/2013 9:58:12 PM] blastyoboots: perhaps if she hadn’t left her COMPLETELY SAFE hiding place, thinking for *one second* it was dangerous, she’d have lived??
[¾/2013 9:58:19 PM] blastyoboots: instead, curiosity killed th- I won’t say it.
[¾/2013 9:58:50 PM] blastyoboots: (Equius completely hiding the door Nepeta was in with crates and stuff, making her hiding spot completely obscured; Void much, by the way?)
[¾/2013 9:59:04 PM] blastyoboots: and if Equius had demonstrated the *slightest* bit of agency
[¾/2013 9:59:25 PM] blastyoboots: not “submitted”, not resolved that he was less important than the highblood, resisted even a tiny bit
[¾/2013 9:59:26 PM] Mousa the 14: … Oh my god, you;re right
[¾/2013 9:59:28 PM] blastyoboots: he might have lived too
[¾/2013 9:59:34 PM] Mousa the 14: … Did Hussie know he was making that joke?
[¾/2013 9:59:39 PM] Mousa the 14: DID HE?
[¾/2013 9:59:45 PM] blastyoboots: (absolutely he did!!!)
[¾/2013 9:59:49 PM] blastyoboots: (heheh)
[¾/2013 9:59:50 PM] Mousa the 14: DID CURIOSITY KILL THE CAT BECUASE THE AUTHOR WANTED THAT JOKE?
[¾/2013 9:59:53 PM] blastyoboots: YES
[¾/2013 9:59:55 PM] Mousa the 14: OH MY GOD!
[¾/2013 10:00:14 PM] blastyoboots: there’s no word of god confirmation, but, I mean, come on
[¾/2013 10:00:16 PM] blastyoboots: I don’t think we need it
[¾/2013 10:00:26 PM] blastyoboots: curiosity killed the damn cat
[¾/2013 10:01:35 PM] blastyoboots: moving on: Andrew mentioned that even the slightest twitch of Equius’s neck muscles would have snapped the cord
[¾/2013 10:01:54 PM] blastyoboots: he was just that passive, that submissive
[¾/2013 10:02:42 PM] blastyoboots: so Equius was immersed in Void to the exclusion of Light, Tavros in Breath to the exclusion of Blood, Nepeta in Heart to the exclusion of Mind
[¾/2013 10:02:50 PM] Mousa the 14: I know that much…
[¾/2013 10:03:06 PM] blastyoboots: and Vriska in Light to the exclusion of Void, to the idea that she should submit even slightly or relinquish her importance
[¾/2013 10:03:10 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, seems like you’re saying the fatal flaws are in not having their opposites as a part of them
[¾/2013 10:03:20 PM] blastyoboots: mm
[¾/2013 10:03:58 PM] blastyoboots: it’s as if after they were denied the reward, they were in “overtime”, and thus were tested to see if they deserved to continue affecting reality?
[¾/2013 10:04:26 PM] blastyoboots: after Feferi created the dream bubbles that united the two races as they slept, she sort of…
[¾/2013 10:04:30 PM] blastyoboots: did *nothing*
[¾/2013 10:04:34 PM] blastyoboots: she indulged her own interests
[¾/2013 10:04:52 PM] blastyoboots: and said “EVERYTHING’S GOING TO BE OKAY!! YOU’LL S-E-E!!!”
[¾/2013 10:05:11 PM] blastyoboots: well, I guess that wasn’t good enough in this high stakes situation
[¾/2013 10:05:55 PM] Mousa the 14: Definitely
[¾/2013 10:06:04 PM] blastyoboots: all the trolls who survived were actively working to help the kids, to try to find a way out of their situation
[¾/2013 10:06:47 PM] blastyoboots: the ones who didn’t, well…
[¾/2013 10:07:08 PM] blastyoboots: if they didn’t want to be important to how reality unfolds while they were alive, well, the dead are no different, are they?
[¾/2013 10:07:56 PM] blastyoboots: they live in their memories, do whatever they want, and have almost no impact on how reality unfolds
[¾/2013 10:08:20 PM] blastyoboots: they don’t have to be alive to do that, I suppose?
[¾/2013 10:09:20 PM] blastyoboots: ….we are WAY off classpect again I have to restrain myself
[¾/2013 10:09:25 PM] blastyoboots: X|
[¾/2013 10:09:35 PM] Mousa the 14: Eh, it happens
[¾/2013 10:09:44 PM] Mousa the 14: Normal conversation thing
[¾/2013 10:09:57 PM] blastyoboots: anyway, let’s see… let’s cover the last classes
[¾/2013 10:10:02 PM] blastyoboots: did you get my ask on Aradia’s inversion?
[¾/2013 10:10:24 PM] blastyoboots: (if so, would it be too much trouble if you could paste it here?)
[¾/2013 10:10:55 PM] blastyoboots: (I forget what I covered and didn’t)
[¾/2013 10:10:57 PM] Mousa the 14: I didn’t get t oask about Aradia’s inversion but I can sort of see how that occured
[¾/2013 10:11:00 PM] Mousa the 14: You covered her
[¾/2013 10:11:10 PM] blastyoboots: ah, well I mentioned, well:
[¾/2013 10:11:22 PM] blastyoboots: I put her down as an active Creation class, the active counterpart of the Sylph
[¾/2013 10:11:38 PM] blastyoboots: in which case, it would mean that once she god-tiered and realized her role:
[¾/2013 10:11:49 PM] blastyoboots: she had the ability to “buy time”!
[¾/2013 10:11:54 PM] blastyoboots: that’s what her time-stop of Jack accomplished :)
[¾/2013 10:12:12 PM] blastyoboots: ARADIA: ok you guys can keep arguing if you like but im going to send you on your way now
ARADIA: then after you leave i should be able to buy you a little more time
KARKAT: HOW’S THAT?
ARADIA: when jack comes ill slow him down for a while
ARADIA: it wont be for very long but its the best i can do!
ROSE: That should help us greatly.
ROSE: Thank you, Aradia.
[¾/2013 10:13:08 PM] Mousa the 14: Yeah, right after she came back to life….
[¾/2013 10:13:13 PM] blastyoboots: hehe
[¾/2013 10:13:18 PM] Mousa the 14: And when she was all robo she was all abotu the xplotation
[¾/2013 10:13:20 PM] blastyoboots: you could say that she inverted because her…
[¾/2013 10:13:30 PM] blastyoboots: Time ran out. (nerd)
[¾/2013 10:13:46 PM] blastyoboots: (Vriska killing her)
[¾/2013 10:13:48 PM] Mousa the 14: (facepalm)
[¾/2013 10:14:18 PM] blastyoboots: under my scheme:
Create - Maid - Sylph
Destroy - Prince - Bard
[¾/2013 10:14:30 PM] blastyoboots: active create inverts to passive destroy, ie. Bard
[¾/2013 10:14:53 PM] blastyoboots: inviting destruction of/through Space, being invited to destruction of/through Space
[¾/2013 10:15:03 PM] blastyoboots: like, say….
[¾/2013 10:15:20 PM] blastyoboots: having her power to sling things around spatially, slice and slam psychically, enhanced
[¾/2013 10:16:05 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, that makes a lot of sense
[¾/2013 10:16:19 PM] blastyoboots: AA: i think i understand
CT: D –> Do you
AA: i like breaking things
AA: i didnt used t0 but n0w i d0
AA: its fun
[¾/2013 10:16:48 PM | Edited 10:16:53 PM] blastyoboots: “Luckily your telekinesis, an ability greatly magnified through your CALLING, would be sufficient to move the massive object, whereas the game cursor likely would not.”
[¾/2013 10:17:05 PM] blastyoboots: oh, and what was she prototyped alongside?
[¾/2013 10:17:09 PM] blastyoboots: she was made part FROG
[¾/2013 10:17:14 PM] blastyoboots: ie. the ultimate symbol of Space!
[¾/2013 10:17:49 PM] blastyoboots: and, here’s the kicker: what was the ultimate result of her being inverted?
[¾/2013 10:17:54 PM] blastyoboots: two incredibly disastrous things
[¾/2013 10:18:00 PM] blastyoboots: one:
[¾/2013 10:18:21 PM] Mousa the 14: A frog… Frogs…. are created by the heroes of space… to create more space….
[¾/2013 10:18:25 PM] blastyoboots: FGA: The Location Of The Final Frog Required To Complete The Gene Sequence
FGA: One Whose Song Should Remove The Last Traces Of Dissonance From The Waveform
FGA: The Creature Is Quite Elusive Remember
PCG: OH YEAH
PCG: YOU WERE SEARCHING FOR WEEKS
FGA: Yes
PCG: AND YOU NEVER FOUND IT
FGA: I Had A Good Lead
FGA: But You Decided There Was Not Enough Time Left To Bother With It
PCG: THE RECKONING HAD STARTED.
PCG: WE HAD TO KILL THE KING.
[¾/2013 10:18:27 PM] Mousa the 14: invert of time… my god…
[¾/2013 10:18:34 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm
[¾/2013 10:18:49 PM] blastyoboots: because she didn’t “Buy time” for Kanaya to help find the final frog, they ran out of it
[¾/2013 10:18:58 PM] Mousa the 14: Yeah, that’s right
[¾/2013 10:18:59 PM] blastyoboots: and because she micromanaged the frog breeding…
[¾/2013 10:19:05 PM] Mousa the 14: and that’s part of why it all went to hell
[¾/2013 10:19:20 PM] blastyoboots: PCG: ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE ALWAYS COMING BACK TO TELL ME HOW SOME HASTY SHIT I DID WITH FROG BREEDING OR WHATEVER WOULD MAKE IT BE IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN.
PCG: MY OWN PERSONAL MISTAKES PROBABLY ACCOUNTED FOR MORE DOOMED ARADIABOTS THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
[¾/2013 10:19:34 PM] blastyoboots: Space is creation, birth…
[¾/2013 10:19:42 PM] blastyoboots: so.
[¾/2013 10:19:52 PM] blastyoboots: what is the ultimate act of inviting destruction through Space?
[¾/2013 10:20:09 PM] blastyoboots: the most disastrous form of out-of-control creation?
[¾/2013 10:20:16 PM] blastyoboots: uncontrolled replication?
[¾/2013 10:20:20 PM] blastyoboots: it’s Cancer!
[¾/2013 10:20:31 PM] blastyoboots: a destructive Tumor
[¾/2013 10:20:42 PM] Mousa the 14: ….
[¾/2013 10:20:43 PM] blastyoboots: blastyoboots has to take a break to eat
[¾/2013 10:20:50 PM] Mousa the 14: My mind has been blown!
[¾/2013 10:20:55 PM] Mousa the 14: YOU HAVE BLOWN MY MIND!
[¾/2013 10:20:58 PM] blastyoboots: :D
[¾/2013 10:21:02 PM] blastyoboots: blastyoboots eats
[¾/2013 10:32:47 PM] blastyoboots: alright, back
[¾/2013 10:33:08 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay,, been kept busy by the other
[¾/2013 10:33:09 PM] blastyoboots: (and yeah, the destructive Green Sun that was created was borne out of cancer *in* a Genesis Frog, in Space, etc)
[¾/2013 10:33:10 PM] Mousa the 14: *others
[¾/2013 10:33:17 PM] blastyoboots: yeah, I imagine others had classpect stuff
[¾/2013 10:33:26 PM] Mousa the 14: No, msotly jsut silliness
[¾/2013 10:33:31 PM] blastyoboots: ah
[¾/2013 10:33:37 PM] blastyoboots: now, the Page was the main one we had left
[¾/2013 10:33:43 PM] Mousa the 14: Game grl ruined Liquid Negrocity, Byb…
[¾/2013 10:33:52 PM] Mousa the 14: yes, page was the main one left
[¾/2013 10:34:03 PM] blastyoboots: haha
[¾/2013 10:34:08 PM] Mousa the 14: who was defined by it’s own subconscious as full of potential
[¾/2013 10:34:19 PM | Edited 10:34:29 PM] blastyoboots: (Game Grl is the exact kind of ironic song that subverts femininity like Porrum was saying btw)
[¾/2013 10:34:44 PM] Mousa the 14: I know that much, god…
[¾/2013 10:34:47 PM] blastyoboots: okay, so:
[¾/2013 10:34:55 PM] blastyoboots: here are some quotes from around the Page
[¾/2013 10:35:06 PM] blastyoboots: AG: 8ut may8e that’s ok. May8e it’s just your style, and your real strength is surrounding yourself with allies who are much stronger than you.
AG: Like me!
AG: I’m sure there is more than one way up the echeladder. In your case pro8a8ly the only way is to roll gently up the echeramp.
AG: The path of the invalid.
AT: yEAH, i AGREE,
[¾/2013 10:36:06 PM] blastyoboots: Tavros was constantly asking others for help
[¾/2013 10:36:10 PM] blastyoboots: diosToreador [AT] began trolling apocalypseArisen [AA]
AT: aRADIA,
AT: hEY,
AT: aRE YOU THERE,
AT: uHHH,
AT: hMM,
adiosToreador [AT] began trolling gallowsCalibrator [GC]
AT: hEY,
AT: tEREZI,
AT: i HAVE A PROBLEM,
AT: uHHHHHHH,
arachnidsGrip [AG] began trolling adiosToreador [AT]
AG: No one can help you, Taaaaaaaavros!
[¾/2013 10:36:34 PM] blastyoboots: GA: Just Presenting A Floating Reminder That Tavros Will Need Plenty Of Inclined Surfaces For His Ascent
AG: That’s silly. I made so many ramps, you wouldn’t even 8elieve it.
AG: I specifically decided I wanted to 8uild something ugly and 8oring. It is now the land of ramps and yawns.
GA: Hes Reported Otherwise
AG: That lousy snitch! May8e I should take his computer away so he can’t go crying to fussyfangs anymore.
GA: Maybe I Should Upend This Load Gaper Over Your Head
AG: No, don’t!
GA: Im Still Learning The Interface
GA: It Could Happen Accidentally At Any Moment
AG: I’m only trying to help him. ::::(
GA: Think Of Another Way To Help
[¾/2013 10:37:09 PM] Mousa the 14: This is sounding a lot like “SOmeone so pathetic people will have no choice but to watn to help them” even though Iknow this isn’t the case
[¾/2013 10:37:17 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm
[¾/2013 10:37:28 PM] blastyoboots: but perhaps it simply needs a better spin? perhaps something is missing?
[¾/2013 10:37:33 PM] Mousa the 14: Tavros as the Page of breath, somehow what, lallowed people to create his paths for him?
[¾/2013 10:38:10 PM] blastyoboots: first of all
[¾/2013 10:38:28 PM] blastyoboots: I thought that the outfit we saw that doomed god-tier Tavros wearing
[¾/2013 10:38:34 PM] blastyoboots: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4559980/tumblrasks/GodTierTavros.png
[¾/2013 10:38:39 PM] blastyoboots: in that Caliborn: Enter flash
[¾/2013 10:38:52 PM] blastyoboots: what does that look like? not just Pupa Pan, but also…?
[¾/2013 10:39:13 PM] blastyoboots: those short shorts and almost a utility belt
[¾/2013 10:40:24 PM | Edited 10:40:34 PM] blastyoboots: I’d say the Page outfit looks a bit like… Robin?
[¾/2013 10:40:42 PM] Mousa the 14: …..
[¾/2013 10:40:54 PM] Mousa the 14: If you squint
[¾/2013 10:41:01 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay, he does
[¾/2013 10:41:03 PM] blastyoboots: what i meant is from the waist down
[¾/2013 10:41:04 PM] Mousa the 14: I’m jsut you know
[¾/2013 10:41:04 PM] blastyoboots: also, the cape
[¾/2013 10:41:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Distracted
[¾/2013 10:41:08 PM] blastyoboots: ah, mhmm
[¾/2013 10:41:21 PM] blastyoboots: also, Jake had a bunch of stuff on his wall: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbg8zroMuI1r25nnno1_500.jpg
[¾/2013 10:41:23 PM] blastyoboots: about Knights
[¾/2013 10:41:26 PM] Mousa the 14: I mena the only way this could be worse is if this came with its own codpiece
[¾/2013 10:41:31 PM] blastyoboots: ahahaha
[¾/2013 10:41:41 PM] blastyoboots: you don’t have to look at it anymore
[¾/2013 10:41:42 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh
[¾/2013 10:41:46 PM] Mousa the 14: Arthurian lore
[¾/2013 10:41:47 PM] blastyoboots: so anyway:
[¾/2013 10:41:58 PM] Mousa the 14: annnnnd army of darness and a terminator movie
[¾/2013 10:42:07 PM] Mousa the 14: and I never realized jsut HOW MUCH he liked he spider-girl
[¾/2013 10:42:10 PM] blastyoboots: what if the Page is the passive counterpart of the Knight, like seemed obvious at first but we assumed it was counterintuitive?
[¾/2013 10:42:15 PM] blastyoboots: (haha)
[¾/2013 10:42:16 PM] Mousa the 14: I thoguht he was jsut a comic fan
[¾/2013 10:42:38 PM] Mousa the 14: Page being the apssive counterpart to the knight was so obvious I immidiatel ylatched on to it
[¾/2013 10:42:42 PM] Mousa the 14: and the dismissed it entirely
[¾/2013 10:42:43 PM] blastyoboots: and the Robin similarites, well… isn’t batman the “Dark Knight”? :P
[¾/2013 10:42:47 PM] blastyoboots: I know
[¾/2013 10:42:48 PM] Mousa the 14: …….
[¾/2013 10:42:49 PM] blastyoboots: that’s what I did too
[¾/2013 10:42:55 PM] blastyoboots: but the punny outfit made me reconsider
[¾/2013 10:43:00 PM] blastyoboots: and so I took a closer look
[¾/2013 10:43:13 PM] blastyoboots: if the Knight is an active exploit class
[¾/2013 10:43:27 PM | Edited 10:43:30 PM] blastyoboots: one who exploits their aspect and exploits through their aspect
[¾/2013 10:43:38 PM] blastyoboots: then could a Page “invite” similar in others?
[¾/2013 10:43:45 PM] blastyoboots: and thus be invited to being exploited himself?
[¾/2013 10:44:33 PM] blastyoboots: from one of my posts: "The “Exploit” class-pair are thus masters of their aspect’s use. A Knight takes their aspect and applies it in ways, or with skill, that nobody else would conceive. If the Page is its passive form… then they invite others to practice similar mastery, and eventually allow the aspect itself to be applied to its largest, most shocking potential! No wonder they’d be a slow, eventually tremendous class.“
[¾/2013 10:44:54 PM] blastyoboots: "Especially slow because:
UU: while the more passive bard coUld be seen as “one who allows x to be destroyed, or invites destrUction throUgh x,” as if by the will of the aspect.
Their understanding of the limited amount of the aspect they have at their disposal is only granted by the opportunities at which it shifts and flows, reveals its whims and influence naturally. A Knight would grab their aspect and grind with it immediately, sharpening up rather fast. The Page must wait, and it’s a worthwhile price to pay.”
[¾/2013 10:45:27 PM | Edited 10:45:36 PM] blastyoboots: “(Vriska, who couldn’t wait, ended up tearing the Page in half. She robbed him of mental clarity time after time when he’d just been building up adventurous courage, like the incident at her quest bed that left him crying and sleeping for most of the session, and eventually punched a hole through him and tossed him into a pit like garbage. ("Thief: Tear into Page.” http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004959 ) Paper puns.)“
[¾/2013 10:46:07 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh the paper puns…
[¾/2013 10:46:13 PM] Mousa the 14: So
[¾/2013 10:46:31 PM] Mousa the 14: Jake could be inviting something… through hope
[¾/2013 10:46:33 PM] Mousa the 14: maybe
[¾/2013 10:46:39 PM] Mousa the 14: Something huge, somethign good
[¾/2013 10:46:44 PM] Mousa the 14: it’ll jsut take a while
[¾/2013 10:46:54 PM] blastyoboots: "Here’s how I’d look at it:
Give a Seer her sword, and she’ll show you how to hone blades sharp enough to rend solid rock asunder.
Give a Mage his sword, and he’ll apply it in battle like a surgeon, twisting himself around other blades as if their attacks had been announced beforehand.
Give a Prince his sword, and he’ll shatter it in a king’s heart.
Give a Bard his sword, and whole armies will soon be swinging and breaking blades against each other.
Give a Sylph her sword, and she’ll mend both her allies’ swords and the allies attached to them.
Give a Maid her sword, and she’ll craft five dozen more.
Give a Witch her sword, and she can swing it as an axe against one to her right, then thrust it as a dagger against one to her left.
Give an Heir his sword, and others’ swords will bend, reshape, and move around him as if he were a nexus for their essence.
Give a Rogue her sword, and ally and enemy alike will find themselves with or without their swords at her whim.
Give a Thief her sword, and she’ll use it to hunt down a vast collection.
Give a Knight his sword, and he’ll cut down foes, mend armor, scale walls, unlock doors, perform alchemy, fell drawbridges, dice vegetables and stir stew, jumpstart cars, unclog his plumbing, clog an enemy’s plumbing, and perform circus entertainment… all with the same, solitary, unchanged sword. And when it finally breaks in half, he’ll use the hilt as a dagger and the tip as a doorstop.
And finally, if you give a Page his sword, he will train slowly. Driven by the opportunities life hands him to use it, he’ll get better, stronger. And as he does, he will share his enthusiasm with others, allowing his skill to encourage and bolster the wills and talents of his allies with their swords. Given enough time… he will lead not just an army, but an army of Knights!
That leadership is involved is the key distinction, here. Pages may be a very passive class focused on inspiration, but in the sense that leaders are inspirational and powerful as well:
> "He would rise through the ranks of the cavalreapers and assume command, having proven the most skilled and fearless of them. He would exhi8it a remarka8le pup8tion, the sort only recorded in myth, growing, or perhaps simply revealing, a striking pair of wings. His army thus inspired would spearhead a major re8ellion.”
Given time to mature, the Page is much, much more than a Knight.
The Page, you see, is King Arthur!“
[¾/2013 10:46:58 PM] Mousa the 14: it would deifnitely explain why the other three bend over backwards for him
[¾/2013 10:47:21 PM] blastyoboots: "Or more specifically, in the case of someone such as Tavros…
> "You wheel over to your favorite poster featuring PUPA PAN, which is your favorite thing. […] You have left your window open since you were very young, just in case Pupa stopped by one night and decided to splash a pinch of SPECIAL STARDUST in your face.”
A Page of Breath is someone who inspires others to the benefits of being as frivolous and detached as they were when young, to seek adventure, who teaches them to fly with just his own encouraging example, words, and a pinch of fairy dust.
The Page of Breath, of course, is Peter Pan!“
[¾/2013 10:48:14 PM] blastyoboots: (Arthur started as a Page and worked his way up to a King)
[¾/2013 10:49:17 PM] blastyoboots: so it’s as if they both lead with their own power and arm others with the aspect to wield in tandem with him?
[¾/2013 10:51:48 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh. my. God
[¾/2013 10:51:55 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay first of all, that Knight description was hilarious
[¾/2013 10:52:06 PM] blastyoboots: hahahaa
[¾/2013 10:52:08 PM] Mousa the 14: second of all, OH. MY. GOD.
[¾/2013 10:52:33 PM] blastyoboots: you seem to like it when I quote my posts
[¾/2013 10:52:37 PM] blastyoboots: I suppose I phrase things well :)
[¾/2013 10:52:49 PM] Mousa the 14: Very well
[¾/2013 10:53:05 PM] Mousa the 14: Man, in comparisoan you cna really tell I crafted my stuff in a single day….
[¾/2013 10:53:25 PM] blastyoboots: well, whaddya think my stuff looked like when I only had one day? :P
[¾/2013 10:53:31 PM] blastyoboots: you’ll get there, I see the theorist in you
[¾/2013 10:53:44 PM] blastyoboots: you will be JUST AS CRAZY AND HIGH-STRUNG AS THE REST OF US
[¾/2013 10:53:48 PM | Edited 10:53:52 PM] blastyoboots: mark my words 8)
[¾/2013 10:54:19 PM] blastyoboots: so yeah, let me see if I can wrap up this discussion so I can fulfill other obligations real quick…
[¾/2013 10:54:35 PM] blastyoboots: according to my theoretical class chart, with all that explained
[¾/2013 10:54:45 PM] blastyoboots: you have the inverting purposes of
[¾/2013 10:54:53 PM] blastyoboots: Understand / Change
[¾/2013 10:55:10 PM] blastyoboots: (I mentioned the serenity prayer in the Rose the Witch post, you probably saw that:)
[¾/2013 10:55:30 PM] blastyoboots: > God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
> The courage to change the things I can,
> And the wisdom to know the difference.
[¾/2013 10:55:52 PM] Mousa the 14: Ah, I love that prayer, i first learn dit when i started attending an emotiona support group
[¾/2013 10:56:00 PM] blastyoboots: same here!
[¾/2013 10:56:16 PM] Mousa the 14: Emotions Anonymous?
[¾/2013 10:56:17 PM] blastyoboots: let’s leave this in the log you theoretically post on your tumblr, thus revealing our utter disregard for privacy
[¾/2013 10:56:23 PM] blastyoboots: :)
[¾/2013 10:56:31 PM] blastyoboots: I also think Steal/Exploit makes sense, because, well
[¾/2013 10:56:41 PM] blastyoboots: as I covered, "maximum use” of what you have
[¾/2013 10:56:52 PM] blastyoboots: versus redistributing the aspect everywhere, taking and delivering it
[¾/2013 10:57:55 PM] blastyoboots: and then Create/Destroy is obvious
[¾/2013 10:58:26 PM] Mousa the 14: mmhmm, mmhmm
[¾/2013 10:58:38 PM] blastyoboots: so, the opposite of an Heir of Breath is a Mage of Blood, someone who understands the bonds between others and such
[¾/2013 10:58:42 PM] blastyoboots: yells at Con Air about it
[¾/2013 10:59:18 PM] blastyoboots: there’s also some evidence that an individual uses their opposed classpect as a “shadow” that boosts their normal role
[¾/2013 10:59:54 PM] blastyoboots: like, John can tap into some personality traits resembling a Mage of Blood healthily if it’s in the process of *helping* him act like an Heir of Breath, change peoples’ direction
[¾/2013 11:00:23 PM] blastyoboots: like using his insight about Karkat and Terezi’s relationship to knock them about a bit conversationally, get them distracted and changing subjects
[¾/2013 11:01:01 PM] blastyoboots: or when Tavros perhaps acted a little like a Thief of Blood by communing with that huge army of creeps, driving them along to help him do things in-session?
[¾/2013 11:01:15 PM] blastyoboots: but of course you can take it too far
[¾/2013 11:01:16 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, that'sa good point
[¾/2013 11:01:31 PM] blastyoboots: ah, here’s something:
[¾/2013 11:01:37 PM] blastyoboots: the ring
[¾/2013 11:01:45 PM] blastyoboots: isn’t a ring like the ultimate symbol of blood?
[¾/2013 11:01:51 PM] blastyoboots: marriage, the ultimate bond
[¾/2013 11:02:06 PM] blastyoboots: as the Queen’s Ring, the ultimate responsibility, rule over and responsibility for your subjects
[¾/2013 11:02:25 PM] blastyoboots: and, hmmmm
[¾/2013 11:02:31 PM] blastyoboots: what’s that weird attack it uses?
[¾/2013 11:02:47 PM] blastyoboots: the one that looks like big red veins of blood destroying everything??
[¾/2013 11:02:48 PM] blastyoboots: :)
[¾/2013 11:03:31 PM] Mousa the 14: ….
[¾/2013 11:03:37 PM] Mousa the 14: Jesus mother loving christ!
[¾/2013 11:03:44 PM] blastyoboots: well, hold on a second
[¾/2013 11:03:47 PM] Mousa the 14: The ring!
[¾/2013 11:03:49 PM] Mousa the 14: The blood!
[¾/2013 11:03:51 PM] Mousa the 14: The vessals
[¾/2013 11:03:54 PM] Mousa the 14: bjuh
[¾/2013 11:03:55 PM] blastyoboots: what does red super deadly red shit have to do with Blood?
[¾/2013 11:03:56 PM] Mousa the 14: bluh
[¾/2013 11:03:57 PM] Mousa the 14: buh
[¾/2013 11:03:58 PM] Mousa the 14: wha?
[¾/2013 11:04:07 PM] blastyoboots: what does it have to do with the opposite of Breath, freedom, escape, et cetera?
[¾/2013 11:04:08 PM] Mousa the 14: Time?
[¾/2013 11:04:28 PM] blastyoboots: “> "DD: Use Red Miles.”
The kid can’t escape the miles.
No one can escape the miles.“
[¾/2013 11:04:49 PM] Mousa the 14: It restricts breath, that’s what blood does…
[¾/2013 11:04:50 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh
[¾/2013 11:05:21 PM] blastyoboots: well, at the same time, Breath and Blood can work together wonderfully
[¾/2013 11:05:26 PM] blastyoboots: every team needs Breath and Blood
[¾/2013 11:05:33 PM] blastyoboots: breath, a quest, a direction
[¾/2013 11:06:04 PM] blastyoboots: (which, when the trolls lost it after they lost the ultimate reward, hanging out in the meteor… they started to fall apart)
[¾/2013 11:06:24 PM] blastyoboots: and Blood, unity, because if you charge by yourself (Tavros), it’s folly!
[¾/2013 11:06:30 PM] blastyoboots: hmm
[¾/2013 11:06:47 PM] blastyoboots: sort of like a Flag, isn’t it?
[¾/2013 11:06:58 PM] blastyoboots: a banner to unite under, a Flag needs wind to fly
[¾/2013 11:07:05 PM] blastyoboots: wonder if we’ve seen Flags anywhere?
[¾/2013 11:07:58 PM] blastyoboots: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4559980/tumblrasks/WV_Leading.png
[¾/2013 11:09:07 PM] Mousa the 14: So this is what having your mind blown multiple times at once is like
[¾/2013 11:09:16 PM] blastyoboots: yes, yes it is
[¾/2013 11:09:28 PM] blastyoboots: so WV, a leader of men, an inspirational figure
[¾/2013 11:09:48 PM] blastyoboots: until Jack destroyed all he was responsible for
[¾/2013 11:09:58 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02658.gif
[¾/2013 11:10:07 PM | Edited 11:10:40 PM] blastyoboots: ”> WV?: Survey casualties.
Everyone is dead.
Everyone except you.“
[¾/2013 11:10:13 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02659.gif
[¾/2013 11:10:20 PM | Edited 11:10:34 PM] blastyoboots: "Your RAG OF SOULS begins to soak in the BLOOD OF THE FALLEN. You suppose it could be poetic?
No, instead you think it is just sad.
You were very foolish to believe you could be a leader of men. Look at what bearing that flag has wrought.
Perhaps one day you will find something new to bear. A burden befitting of the peasant you truly are.
Oh my what’s that shiny thing in the water.”
[¾/2013 11:10:51 PM] blastyoboots: did you ever find it, just
[¾/2013 11:10:53 PM] blastyoboots: a little funny
[¾/2013 11:10:57 PM] blastyoboots: in those two images
[¾/2013 11:11:05 PM] blastyoboots: how the blood and water weren’t mixing?
[¾/2013 11:11:18 PM] blastyoboots: almost like it was serving some kind of
[¾/2013 11:11:19 PM] blastyoboots: visual
[¾/2013 11:11:22 PM] blastyoboots: purpose :)
[¾/2013 11:11:37 PM] blastyoboots: as WV turned to wandering, lonely frivolity, and went off to deliver a ring :)
[¾/2013 11:13:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Blood and Breath.. How symbolic… and he probably planned it all
[¾/2013 11:13:10 PM] Mousa the 14: I’m impressed
[¾/2013 11:13:14 PM] blastyoboots: absolutely
[¾/2013 11:13:19 PM] blastyoboots: we have an example of Breath, too!
[¾/2013 11:13:20 PM] blastyoboots: I mean
[¾/2013 11:13:29 PM] Mousa the 14: A leader turned frivolous wanderer, Blood turned Breath
[¾/2013 11:13:31 PM] blastyoboots: do you recall how I mentioned how Breath also entailed delivery? :)
[¾/2013 11:13:39 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes
[¾/2013 11:13:43 PM] blastyoboots: now whooo does that remind you of?
[¾/2013 11:13:52 PM] Mousa the 14: He’s become THE BREEZE
[¾/2013 11:13:52 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05364.gif
[¾/2013 11:14:00 PM] Mousa the 14: delivering what is important to the right people
[¾/2013 11:14:04 PM] blastyoboots: click the pic
[¾/2013 11:14:12 PM] Mousa the 14: Or PM
[¾/2013 11:14:14 PM] Mousa the 14: That works too
[¾/2013 11:14:19 PM] Mousa the 14: Oh wait
[¾/2013 11:14:20 PM] blastyoboots: MAIL
[¾/2013 11:14:24 PM] Mousa the 14: he delviered the ring to her didn’t he
[¾/2013 11:14:32 PM] Mousa the 14: That’s right
[¾/2013 11:14:35 PM] Mousa the 14: Wow
[¾/2013 11:14:58 PM] blastyoboots: PM is almost blood-bound to Breath, so committed to her quests and deliveries that she’s willing to fight Noir for two years straight at least
[¾/2013 11:15:17 PM] Mousa the 14: Ain’t that the truth, she has something important to deliver
[¾/2013 11:15:17 PM] blastyoboots: if only there were some convenient tie that Blood had to mail, to unite this metaphor?
[¾/2013 11:15:18 PM] Mousa the 14: JUSTICE
[¾/2013 11:15:21 PM] blastyoboots: like red flags or something
[¾/2013 11:15:27 PM] blastyoboots: what do those have to do with mail though, I mean
[¾/2013 11:15:29 PM] blastyoboots: come on…
[¾/2013 11:15:34 PM] Mousa the 14: Lemmie think
[¾/2013 11:15:37 PM] blastyoboots: http://media.tumblr.com/f0f9f6f5b2b79ef335d9f973f32d8d19/tumblr_inline_mhz9t3E9bq1qz4rgp.gif
[¾/2013 11:15:52 PM] blastyoboots: “You wield your TRUSTY KNIFE.
It is actually a…
You’re not sure what they’re called. It’s an old rusted one of those red mailbox arm-swing flappy doodads, either for letting you know there is mail in the box, or maybe for alerting the mailman to outgoing mail to be collected. You don’t know, really. You’ve wrapped a little piece of cloth around it for the grip.
It is useless for opening cans.”
[¾/2013 11:15:54 PM] Mousa the 14: ……
[¾/2013 11:15:57 PM] Mousa the 14: OH COME ON!
[¾/2013 11:16:00 PM] blastyoboots: :D
[¾/2013 11:16:07 PM] Mousa the 14: YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!
[¾/2013 11:16:10 PM] Mousa the 14: THOSE RED FLAGS!?
[¾/2013 11:16:19 PM] blastyoboots: that’s what they’re called!
[¾/2013 11:16:20 PM] Mousa the 14: DDDDRRRRRRRRAAAAAARRRRGH!
[¾/2013 11:16:33 PM] Mousa the 14: I know that’s what they’re called byt the comic sure as hell didn’t!
[¾/2013 11:16:42 PM] blastyoboots: turns out he knew all along :)
[¾/2013 11:16:42 PM] Mousa the 14: Wanted to obsucre it so we had to say it aloud ourselves!
[¾/2013 11:16:53 PM] blastyoboots: Mail can traverse through all kinds of mediums, but it’s meaningless
[¾/2013 11:17:00 PM] blastyoboots: without a starting and and ending address
[¾/2013 11:17:09 PM] blastyoboots: mailboxes adorned with Flags, ties to reality
[¾/2013 11:17:24 PM] blastyoboots: to people!
[¾/2013 11:17:47 PM] blastyoboots: to take it even further, before Karkat’s game started: http://media.tumblr.com/75e90b048d261a05bb360980575f2864/tumblr_inline_mhz9utWSwT1qz4rgp.gif
[¾/2013 11:17:48 PM] Mousa the 14: It’s madness
[¾/2013 11:17:53 PM] blastyoboots: Karkat’s ‘red flags’ were tied down, unable to blow in the wind, his role unrealized!
[¾/2013 11:17:55 PM] blastyoboots: yes it is
[¾/2013 11:18:00 PM] Mousa the 14: …..
[¾/2013 11:18:02 PM] blastyoboots: there is SO MUCH in this damned devious comic
[¾/2013 11:18:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Red flags
[¾/2013 11:18:09 PM] Mousa the 14: adorned his hosue
[¾/2013 11:18:11 PM] blastyoboots: Karkat didn’t have a quest yet
[¾/2013 11:18:12 PM] Mousa the 14: and no one knew
[¾/2013 11:18:13 PM] blastyoboots: so they were tied down
[¾/2013 11:18:17 PM] Mousa the 14: what his blood colour was
[¾/2013 11:18:27 PM] Mousa the 14: Right, sorry, tied down
[¾/2013 11:18:29 PM] Mousa the 14: I get it
[¾/2013 11:18:42 PM] blastyoboots: also… have you ever noticed how Jack Noir is very much like some sort of Destroyer of/through Blood?
[¾/2013 11:18:59 PM] blastyoboots: using his team of gangsters, calling others up, to wreak havoc
[¾/2013 11:19:07 PM] blastyoboots: *honoring his pacts* and promises
[¾/2013 11:19:17 PM] blastyoboots: using Red Miles to destroy everything
[¾/2013 11:19:24 PM] blastyoboots: teaming up with Karkat, with his bloody invitation
[¾/2013 11:19:41 PM] blastyoboots: killing the Black Queen / Snowman, the one he arguably has the most feelings for or about
[¾/2013 11:20:30 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/02303_1.gif
[¾/2013 11:21:05 PM] blastyoboots: he’s almost attracted to places where people are unified to kill and tear them apart, like Mom and Dad
[¾/2013 11:21:10 PM] blastyoboots: or a gang like the Felt
[¾/2013 11:21:34 PM] blastyoboots: a divider, a destroyer, using his gang to wreck things but somewhat callous acting after they’ve been unceremoniously killed
[¾/2013 11:21:37 PM] Mousa the 14: He does love hating the love, doesn’t he?
[¾/2013 11:21:45 PM] Mousa the 14: oh look, the cut on his hand is the blood symbol
[¾/2013 11:21:46 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm :)
[¾/2013 11:21:54 PM] blastyoboots: oh and you did see one quote, let’s see…
[¾/2013 11:22:15 PM | Edited 11:22:25 PM] blastyoboots: “But it doesn’t do no good to spurn generosity from a beautiful and deadly woman. You thanked her for the kind offer and tactfully brought up an alternative.
See, you tell the boss this is his problem. He’s too blunt about his ambitions. Don’t get you wrong. It’s all well and good for a man to keep his eyes on the prize. But he doesn’t always need to step over a thousand corpses and swim across rivers of blood to get there. You remind him there are slicker ways to make your moves, especially when it comes to a lady. Now that you think about it, Slick would be a good ironic nickname for him. Might be good for a laugh, callin’ him that. Or it would if you actually ever laughed.
The point is, you have to know how to handle her.”
[¾/2013 11:23:12 PM] blastyoboots: (did I mention that pacts and promises were Blood, too? and how Karkat constantly mentioned and arranged them?)
[¾/2013 11:23:23 PM] blastyoboots: (fulfilling obligations, responsibilities)
[¾/2013 11:23:33 PM] blastyoboots: (Jack shirking his archagent duties, etc)
[¾/2013 11:23:39 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh, wow
[¾/2013 11:23:49 PM] Mousa the 14: even jack has a classpect
[¾/2013 11:23:50 PM] Mousa the 14: who knew
[¾/2013 11:23:57 PM] blastyoboots: sorta-kinda-maybe
[¾/2013 11:24:08 PM] blastyoboots: I mean, if I had to classpect him, I’d *call* him a Prince of Blood or such?
[¾/2013 11:24:16 PM] blastyoboots: but it’s hard to say that these minor guys have classpects
[¾/2013 11:24:23 PM] blastyoboots: or just some sort of bent or emphasis thanks to the author
[¾/2013 11:24:29 PM] blastyoboots: sort of like DD and his Mind associations
[¾/2013 11:24:46 PM] blastyoboots: his obsession with reasoning and a controlled façade, looking smooth
[¾/2013 11:25:06 PM] blastyoboots: calculated outwardness instead of inward expression
[¾/2013 11:25:47 PM] blastyoboots: so anyway, yeah
[¾/2013 11:26:17 PM] blastyoboots: Breath is flight, detachment, dissociation with the material plane (lots of dreaming involved), direction, quests
[¾/2013 11:26:40 PM] blastyoboots: while Blood is bonds, ties, groundedness to reality, responsibility to others
[¾/2013 11:26:45 PM] blastyoboots: things that tie you down
[¾/2013 11:26:47 PM] blastyoboots: like, say… shackles
[¾/2013 11:26:54 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/04052_1.gif
[¾/2013 11:27:32 PM] Mousa the 14: I swer, if this isa link to the Cals…
[¾/2013 11:27:34 PM] Mousa the 14: …..
[¾/2013 11:27:38 PM] Mousa the 14: Or the Sufferer
[¾/2013 11:27:45 PM] Mousa the 14: Okay then
[¾/2013 11:27:46 PM] Mousa the 14: ….
[¾/2013 11:28:09 PM] Mousa the 14: Right, Seer of Blood
[¾/2013 11:28:15 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm
[¾/2013 11:28:52 PM] blastyoboots: I think that’s probably about enough for quite a whil-
[¾/2013 11:28:54 PM] blastyoboots: oh wait
[¾/2013 11:29:00 PM] blastyoboots: one last thing I guess I should note
[¾/2013 11:29:09 PM] blastyoboots: just a bit about the Rage aspect:
[¾/2013 11:29:10 PM] Mousa the 14: Which is..?
[¾/2013 11:29:24 PM] blastyoboots: how I said it was the constricting of possibilities, or the perception of possibilities rather?
[¾/2013 11:29:35 PM] blastyoboots: sort of like how, when you’re offered a choice with Gamzee
[¾/2013 11:29:48 PM] blastyoboots: like to sleep in the horn pile or let him be your guide
[¾/2013 11:29:58 PM] blastyoboots: the choices are either “No” or “Hell No”
[¾/2013 11:30:02 PM] blastyoboots: “No” or “Fuck No”
[¾/2013 11:30:20 PM] Mousa the 14: I recall
[¾/2013 11:30:23 PM] blastyoboots: or when you’re in the potion shop, whether you say “yes” or “no”, you get a potion every single time in different ways
[¾/2013 11:30:36 PM] Mousa the 14: I said yes every time
[¾/2013 11:30:43 PM] Mousa the 14: SHould have tried the nos
[¾/2013 11:30:58 PM] blastyoboots: mhmm, that’s why I sent you an ask asking you to try the 'no’s but it would have easily been overlooked
[¾/2013 11:31:20 PM] blastyoboots: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006727
[¾/2013 11:31:42 PM] Mousa the 14: ….
[¾/2013 11:31:44 PM] Mousa the 14: Ah…
[¾/2013 11:31:45 PM] Mousa the 14: This…
[¾/2013 11:31:50 PM] Mousa the 14: “soothing” music…?
[¾/2013 11:31:53 PM] blastyoboots: hahaha
[¾/2013 11:31:55 PM] blastyoboots: elevatorstuck
[¾/2013 11:32:00 PM] Mousa the 14: Of course it is
[¾/2013 11:32:04 PM] Mousa the 14: That makes so much sense
[¾/2013 11:32:13 PM] Mousa the 14: It does sound like elevator music, doesn’t it?
[¾/2013 11:32:29 PM] blastyoboots: that’s how it was made, or the name of it or whatever
[¾/2013 11:32:32 PM] blastyoboots: what it was made to resemble
[¾/2013 11:32:35 PM] blastyoboots: the track
[¾/2013 11:32:39 PM] blastyoboots: anywho:
[¾/2013 11:32:43 PM] blastyoboots: more examples: how important possibilities are always disguised from people around Rage players
[¾/2013 11:32:55 PM] blastyoboots: like how Gamzee or Kurloz could actually be dangerous? no way!
[¾/2013 11:33:05 PM] blastyoboots: or how Kurloz related secrets to miracles
[¾/2013 11:33:15 PM] blastyoboots: or, most importantly perhaps
[¾/2013 11:33:25 PM] blastyoboots: how Terezi didn’t see how it wasn’t Spidertroll
[¾/2013 11:33:40 PM] blastyoboots: or that Gamzee was behind all the items, behind the note, behind Cal
[¾/2013 11:33:49 PM] blastyoboots: Terezi was 'blind’ to all of it!
[¾/2013 11:34:15 PM] blastyoboots: and by denying that her kismesis-ish feelings were biasing her, you could even say she was “blinded by Rage”?
[¾/2013 11:34:44 PM] Mousa the 14: I can see that, he seems to be bale to cause blind dristration, it’s rather amazing
[¾/2013 11:35:04 PM] blastyoboots: and even further!
[¾/2013 11:35:10 PM] blastyoboots: restriction of the perception of possibilities:
[¾/2013 11:35:13 PM] blastyoboots: GC: 1 K33P WOND3R1NG 1F TH3R3 W4S 4NOTH3R W4Y
GC: SOM3TH1NG OTH3R TH4N L3TT1NG H3R GO, OR K1LL1NG H3R
GC: 1 TRY TO R3M3MB3R WH4T 1 S4W WH3N 1 LOOK3D 1NTO TH3 VORT1C3S OF POSS1B1L1TY
GC: 4ND 1 JUST C4NT R3M3MB3R 4NYTH1NG B3S1D3S THOS3 OPT1ONS
GC: 3V3N 1F THOS3 OTH3R CHO1C3S WOULD H4V3 R3SULT3D 1N D34TH FOR 3V3RYON3
GC: W4S TH4T R34LLY 4LL 1 W4S C4P4BL3 OF?
GC: 31TH3R LOS1NG TH3 N3RV3 TO GO THROUGH W1TH 1T, OR ST4BB1NG H3R 1N TH3 B4CK, 4ND NOTH1NG 3LS3?
[¾/2013 11:36:08 PM] blastyoboots: get it? :)
[¾/2013 11:36:53 PM] blastyoboots: if Terezi had thought any other option was wise, she would have found a way and planned beforehand to stop or stall her without killing her, but by thinking she was responsible for the murders
[¾/2013 11:37:03 PM] blastyoboots: by the time it came down to the coin flip, it was too late!
[¾/2013 11:37:07 PM] blastyoboots: Vriska died because Gamzee invited destruction through Rage!
[¾/2013 11:37:09 PM] Mousa the 14: Huh
[¾/2013 11:37:13 PM] Mousa the 14: Wow….
[¾/2013 11:37:26 PM] blastyoboots: and not just that, but if you recall Cascade
[¾/2013 11:37:34 PM] blastyoboots: there was a conversation that Gamzee was talking with Doc Scratch
[¾/2013 11:37:49 PM] blastyoboots: and you’d have to pause it or screenshot it or the like, but this was just after Vriska’s death
[¾/2013 11:37:54 PM] blastyoboots: and he was saying to Doc
[¾/2013 11:38:03 PM] blastyoboots: that he “just got done doing everything you said”
[¾/2013 11:38:40 PM] Mousa the 14: ….
[¾/2013 11:38:42 PM] Mousa the 14: ……
[¾/2013 11:38:48 PM] Mousa the 14: This is insande
[¾/2013 11:38:51 PM] Mousa the 14: *insane
[¾/2013 11:39:00 PM] blastyoboots: yeah!
[¾/2013 11:39:06 PM] Mousa the 14: Jsut how many villains does this story have, including suppsoed heroes?
[¾/2013 11:39:18 PM] blastyoboots: well, Doc is quite an established villain
[¾/2013 11:39:42 PM] blastyoboots: but, that’s strange, isn’t it?
[¾/2013 11:39:53 PM] blastyoboots: why would Doc arrange Vriska’s death??
[¾/2013 11:40:36 PM] Mousa the 14: Becuase of what she’s doing now
[¾/2013 11:40:54 PM] Mousa the 14: Her stupid stupid “can’t cure HIV until you have full blown AIDS” plan
[¾/2013 11:41:01 PM] blastyoboots: that’s a good guess; certainly the guess I would have made
[¾/2013 11:41:08 PM] Mousa the 14: Practically having her do the whole destruction dirty work for him
[¾/2013 11:41:09 PM] blastyoboots: we can’t say for sure
[¾/2013 11:41:18 PM] Mousa the 14: Giving Lord Englisha breeding ground for death adn destrution
[¾/2013 11:41:24 PM] blastyoboots: but… remember how I said that Vriska wasn’t really responsible for Jack Noir’s ascent?
[¾/2013 11:41:34 PM] Mousa the 14: Yes….
[¾/2013 11:41:47 PM] blastyoboots: think way back to the start of Vriska’s introduction
[¾/2013 11:42:00 PM] blastyoboots: in fact, *eight pages* after her formal introduction
[¾/2013 11:42:17 PM] blastyoboots: we happened to have her have our first conversation we’d ever seen with Doc Scratch
[¾/2013 11:42:24 PM] blastyoboots: and it ended on these ominous lines:
[¾/2013 11:42:30 PM] blastyoboots: AG: I thought you said you would 8e 8rief????????
I’ll say one last thing.
Though the magnitude of the ensuing destruction resulting directly from your actions will be neither possible or necessary for you to fathom, there nevertheless ought to be a silver lining.
The only question is whether you will live long enough to see it.
I’m not a gambling man.
But if I was, I wouldn’t bet on it.
Goodbye.
AG: Zzzzzzzz. 8ye, assh8le.
[¾/2013 11:43:36 PM] blastyoboots: so;
[¾/2013 11:43:40 PM] blastyoboots: I think I’m gonna leave you with that :)
[¾/2013 11:44:03 PM] blastyoboots: heheheheh
[¾/2013 11:44:10 PM] Mousa the 14: …..
[¾/2013 11:44:13 PM] Mousa the 14: AAAAARGH!
[¾/2013 11:44:17 PM] Mousa the 14: THAT SCHEMEING SOB!
[¾/2013 11:45:40 PM] blastyoboots: scheming how? show me your thoughts
[¾/2013 11:45:42 PM] blastyoboots: I wish to see them :)
[¾/2013 11:46:12 PM] blastyoboots: OPEN YOUR MIND TO THE THEORIES
[¾/2013 11:46:19 PM] Mousa the 14: He’s practically telling her that she is going to cause so many problems!
[¾/2013 11:46:27 PM] blastyoboots: ah, well right
[¾/2013 11:46:33 PM] Mousa the 14: His omiscience may actually know no bounds
[¾/2013 11:46:40 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean how much of it did he plan?
[¾/2013 11:46:44 PM] blastyoboots: AG: What is it!
A parting courtesy, I suppose.
All the ways I’ve exploited you were meant to bring about the events that will take place this evening.
Knowing this will provide context for the events in your near future, and will affect how you behave in response.
These events will be just as important as those preceding it.
I’ve gone to great lengths, you see.
[¾/2013 11:46:52 PM] Mousa the 14: I mean he does a hell of a lot of taliking to these kids
[¾/2013 11:47:02 PM | Edited 11:47:10 PM] blastyoboots: you could view it as if one of the reasons she chose to try and cause Jack Noir is because Doc mentioned this
[¾/2013 11:47:24 PM] Mousa the 14: He couldn’t seriously have not known that she was in posession of his ball, I mean Equius couldn’t have been right there shen she obtained the damned thing!
[¾/2013 11:47:35 PM] blastyoboots: no no, this was far after that
[¾/2013 11:47:41 PM] Mousa the 14: I’m still thinking
[¾/2013 11:47:49 PM] Mousa the 14: Let me ramble it all out
[¾/2013 11:47:52 PM] blastyoboots: the first conversation we saw between them, with this unfathomable destruction line, was the day she entered
[¾/2013 11:48:03 PM] Mousa the 14: Indeed it was
[¾/2013 11:48:07 PM] blastyoboots: it was a sweep or so in the past when he blew up the ball and all the murder/crippling happened
[¾/2013 11:48:17 PM] blastyoboots: anyway yeah, ramble it all out :)
[¾/2013 11:48:29 PM] Mousa the 14: And he probably already had Gamzee under his goddamn thrall, manipulating events, when if his rage was casting Vriska’s abilitiesi nto doubt?
[¾/2013 11:48:46 PM] Mousa the 14: Arranged for her death not only through Terezi but made sure Vriska failed too
[¾/2013 11:48:56 PM] blastyoboots: Vriska’s ploy was rather self-contained
[¾/2013 11:48:59 PM] Mousa the 14: opposite of hope eh? Well maybe… Jsut maybe…
[¾/2013 11:49:00 PM] blastyoboots: in fact, it was self-assured
[¾/2013 11:49:16 PM] blastyoboots: she bet that Terezi cared about her too much to kill her
[¾/2013 11:49:19 PM] blastyoboots: (in a h8 sort of way)
[¾/2013 11:49:38 PM] blastyoboots: and indeed, when Terezi just relied on Mind, just said “I have to kill her”
[¾/2013 11:49:43 PM] blastyoboots: she couldn’t go through with it!
[¾/2013 11:50:17 PM] blastyoboots: only when Terezi looked into the future and watched her own corpse beside someone she loved, leveraged Heart in combination with Mind, did she get the courage to do what was necessary, even though it hurt
[¾/2013 11:51:57 PM] Mousa the 14: Wow, jusus, dual aspect triumphs again
[¾/2013 11:52:02 PM] blastyoboots: :)
[¾/2013 11:52:07 PM] blastyoboots: Vriska’s ploy to fight Noir had to be stopped somehow; it would get everyone killed
[¾/2013 11:52:29 PM] blastyoboots: Gamzee just ensured that the only way circumstance, the forces at play, could hope to stop Vriska is with her death
[¾/2013 11:52:40 PM] blastyoboots: so even though she was improving, emotionally and such, progressing
[¾/2013 11:52:48 PM] blastyoboots: she was given a test that she failed, the coin flip
[¾/2013 11:52:51 PM] blastyoboots: and she was killed
[¾/2013 11:52:58 PM] blastyoboots: just as Doc Scratch planned
[¾/2013 11:53:07 PM] blastyoboots: because, ?????
[¾/2013 11:53:30 PM] blastyoboots: Step 1: Kill Vriska
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Unfathomable destruction?
[¾/2013 11:53:48 PM] blastyoboots: is the destruction yet to come? is it the result of something she’s already done?
[¾/2013 11:54:20 PM] blastyoboots: Doc’s wording seemed to imply her “living to see it” would be in question, that it was something he *couldn’t foresee* and would ostensibly have to bet on… how does that jibe with him having arranged her death in the first place?
[¾/2013 11:54:24 PM] blastyoboots: lots of confusing loose ends here
[¾/2013 11:54:38 PM] blastyoboots: put your theorizing mind to work and keep reading the comic, I suppose :)
[¾/2013 11:54:51 PM] Mousa the 14: I will, still got to finish this last openbound
[¾/2013 11:55:22 PM | Edited 11:55:33 PM] blastyoboots: we can consider this the end of our conversation for a while, god knows you’ve likely had your mind blown enough for one night?
[¾/2013 11:55:54 PM] Mousa the 14: Indeed
[¾/2013 11:55:59 PM] Mousa the 14: Thanks a lot for the chat
[¾/2013 11:56:03 PM] Mousa the 14: I have learned a ton tonight
[¾/2013 11:56:04 PM] blastyoboots: it was a blast!

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